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To: FreedomProtector
"Natural forces, such as corrosion, erosion, fire and explosions, do not create order, they destroy it.”

We observe many things happening on earth that result in a local lowering of entropy, many of these things are triggered by "natural forces" such as heat and light. When the foundation of a person's argument is the denial of these readily observable phenomenon, the rest of their argument fails, being built upon sand.

546 posted on 09/25/2006 9:47:54 AM PDT by ahayes (My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure.)
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To: ahayes
Ha! Salt crystals are formed by tiny angels that push the atoms into place!

Can you prove it didn't happen? WELL? CAN YOU?

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548 posted on 09/25/2006 10:11:20 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: ahayes
perhaps you should read the rest of the quote from article which you quoted...

"...The second law is all about probability. The reason natural forces may turn a spaceship into a pile of rubble but not vice-versa is probability: of all the possible arrangements atoms could take, only a very small percentage could fly to the moon and back."

When you can spontaneously generate silicon chips from your pile of sand via chance and natural process "Natural forces, such as corrosion, erosion, fire and explosions" or heat and sunlight, you will certainly be rich.

While we observe process happening on earth that result in a local lowering of entropy, we never observe any of those process put things together in an orderly way as a result of random changes, whether they be the building blocks to life---amino acids do not combine in moving water to form proteins--- or metal parts do not combine in tornados to form bicycles.


from Tim M. Berra, "Evolution and the Myth of Creationism"

"For example, an unassembled bicycle that arrives at your house in a shipping carton is in a state of disorder. You supply the energy of your muscles (which you get from food that came ultimately from sunlight) to assemble the bike. You have got order from disorder by supplying energy. The Sun is the source of energy input to the earth's living systems and allows them to evolve."


This is funny in a couple of ways:

1) there is intelligence putting the bike together

2) It is so improbable that it is funny that someone could believe that sunlight+some ridiculous amount to time+chance and natural processes could arrive at life as we observe it today.

While it is true that the Sun's energy ultimately supplying the energy to put the bike together, it is ridiculous to say that the sun is supplying the intelligence to put the bike together, or that there was no intelligence involved. Maybe the evolutionist is a closet worshiper of the Sun. Or perhaps it is rational and probable that the world was intelligently designed by the Son.
551 posted on 09/25/2006 11:34:29 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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