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To: JLS
1. I WENT to the University of Florida, I did not SEND a child to the University of Florida. Perhaps you could go to dictionary.com and look up the different meanings of the words WENT and SEND.

Bill Clinton is that you? Distinction being what exactly? Would you SEND a child to UF given that there are at least as many idiot professors there (as a percentage) as there are at Duke.

2. I am not so closed minded that I believe that all lefties are as pathetic as the Duke 88. You can smear all lefty college profs with a broad brush as Mike Nifong and the 88 would have you smear the Duke Lacrosse team with a similar broad brush. You are one scarey person if what brings you to this case is the wrong side is winning rather than it is immoral and wrong to paint with such a broad brush. Duke and particularly the 88 threw these kids under the bus. No one has thrown students under the bus like this at the University of Florida that I know of.

Where did I say that all lefties are as pathetic as the 88 at Duke? There are almost certainly lefties there that are properly disgusted with the 88. Don't put words in my mouth and don't set up a straw man. Read the web pages that I listed at UF and the the web pages of the group of 88. If we did a blind study you would not be able tell the difference. Find me any functional distinction based their attitudes as expressed on their own words. Tell me if we couldn't find a similar group at UF. As far as UF not having done this, it has not had a similar situation. And, by the way, "that you know of" is important. Lefty faculty often screw over vulnerable students who leave not with a bang but with a whimper.

3. There is an OPPORTUNITY at Duke. Because of the errors of Duke and the 88, a shot could be sent across the bow of all academic institutions. If you could put down your pom-poms long enough to THINK about this situation, you might realize this. The opportunity at Duke is to show everyone from Harvard to the University of Florida to University of Central Arkansas that being so publically PC at the expense of your students can get you in real trouble. Had the University of Florida faculty behaved in a similar way, I would favor UF paying a price to give them and Harvard, Duke and the Univeristy of Central Arkansas an incentive to reform.

So the institution has ended up with an idiot for a president and about 5% very vocal idiot faculty. So destroy the institution? Who will benefit from that? A good housecleaning is more like it, e.g., destroy Brodhead and all those who signed that statement. Institution preserved and problem solved.
628 posted on 10/25/2006 1:02:47 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath
So the institution has ended up with an idiot for a president and about 5% very vocal idiot faculty. So destroy the institution? Who will benefit from that? A good housecleaning is more like it, e.g., destroy Brodhead and all those who signed that statement. Institution preserved and problem solved.

Put down the pom-poms and back away. I have never called for Duke to be destroyed. Duke should be given an incentive to reform. Duke should be an example to all colleges to reform. Duke won't reform unless given a reason to reduce the influence of the 88.

I have never said that people should never send a child to Duke again, but the non Duke situation in Durham is a serious worry. I said people are crazy to send their children to in THIS environment.

Now there are exceptions. Duke may be by far the best college someone's child got in and transfering may be problematic. Duke's credit system may make transfering difficult. [This would be in another discussion a reason to worry about sending a child to Duke.] Someone's child may have a particular scholarship deal that makes transfering to an equal school problematic. But people should not just easily make nor accept reasons not to transfer or send their child elsewhere UNTIL Duke reforms.

I know this much, if you don't give Duke any reason to reform, they wont. If you worry so much about Duke basketball that you can not live with any criticism of Duke, then Duke will have no reason to try to do better. If conservative parents automatically consider the PC schools like Duke, Harvard, and ignor conservative schools like Grove City or Hillsdale, then the PC crowd will continue to run the academy.
629 posted on 10/25/2006 1:35:39 PM PDT by JLS
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