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Haggard's accuser fails lie detector
Denver Post ^ | 11/03/2006 | Mike McPhee

Posted on 11/03/2006 7:57:35 AM PST by bahblahbah

Ted Haggard's accuser failed a polygraph test early this morning about the truthfulness of his accusations that he had had a three-year homosexual affair with the influential Colorado Springs minister.

The test was given to Michael Jones, 49, an admitted male prostitute, who made the allegations on the Peter Boyles Show on radio station KHOW Thursday morning.

The shocking allegations were denied by Haggard, who told KUSA-9News he never took part in a homosexual affair and had always been faithful to his wife, with whom he has 5 children.

So Boyles invited Jones to take a polygraph test at 5 a.m. this morning.

The test administrator, John Kresnik, said Jones' score indicated "deceptions" in his answers. However, Kresnik said he doubted the accuracy of the test he administered because of the recent stress on Jones and his inability to eat or sleep, according to KHOW producer Greg Hollenback.

Kresnik suggested that Jones be re-tested early next week after he was rested.


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To: bahblahbah

The accuser can lie about everything and it will amount to nothing one way or the other for him since it is for swaying the elections next week and paving the way to '08.


41 posted on 11/03/2006 8:40:06 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA)
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To: twigs
I haven't read the details, but why would they have the test administered at 5 in the morning?

Because Boyles' radio show airs from 5-9 AM.

42 posted on 11/03/2006 8:40:20 AM PST by George Maschke
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To: GrandEagle

Did you ask "How reliable is the poly" and get the stock answer, "I've never had one fail me"?


43 posted on 11/03/2006 8:42:41 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: retMD

I heard a portion of a tape this AM that Ted was buying meth from the guy. I wonder if that's what he confessed to and the sex didn't happen but the hooker guy spiced up the story for the gay marriage amendments.

Just a theory


44 posted on 11/03/2006 8:43:32 AM PST by spacejunkie
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To: sgtbono2002

No coaching necessary, all he has to do is take a beta blocker and he's done.


45 posted on 11/03/2006 8:46:55 AM PST by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: spacejunkie

I wonder if that's what he confessed to and the sex didn't happen but the hooker guy spiced up the story for the gay marriage amendments. Just a theoryI've seen several people post the same theory, and I have to say I don't really understand this - or maybe I should and wish I didn't. If he had sex with the guy, he betrayed his wife and children and was a terrible hypocrite - all very bad. But if he bought the meth, which many posters seem to prefer, he broke the law.

46 posted on 11/03/2006 8:47:51 AM PST by retMD
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To: GrandEagle
He probably was looking to buy some Viagra anonymously;I think you may be right and he is quite likely embarrassed over it.

If that is the case,he should 'fess up quickly and Bob Dole should hang his head in shame. As should all the other old goats who are trying so hard to be cool or hard,or whatever the case may be. Yuk!!!

47 posted on 11/03/2006 8:47:55 AM PST by saradippity
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To: George Maschke

It's impossible to say at this point what he confessed to, but Jones basically said he was having gay sex and using drugs.

I was thinking this morning after reading about his "partial confession"...what if the drug part is true but the rest isn't? I've seen the communications between him & Jones and to me, it looks like a drug converstation. Maybe the gay sex part was designed to destroy his credibility in regards to the gay marriage issue, which is up for a vote next week.

Just rambling here...but the fact that he registered as untruthful regarding parts of the polygraph make me wonder which parts were true (drugs?) and which weren't (sex?).


48 posted on 11/03/2006 8:50:21 AM PST by Raebie
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To: Wuli

" Quite a number of employers, either for security or financial concerns, continue to use it. That would not be the case if it was very unreliable. The CIA and the FBI continue to use it."

While it may not be admissable in court, prosecutors often use polygraphs to gauge the veracity of a witness .
They consider it a more reliable tool than not.


49 posted on 11/03/2006 8:50:23 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Wuli
The polygraf accurately identifies not the truth, but whether or not the individual being tested is trying to be evasive in some answers. The attempt to be evasive at least establishes that the individual is trying to hide something. It does not make their answer a lie, but it indicates there is something not totally truthful in their answer.

In my personal experience this is simply not so.
In response to being asked if I had any knowledge how or when this piece of equipment was damaged, I truthfully answered "no".
I wasn't evading anything at all - there was nothing I was hiding, no partial truths or partial lies. It was absolutely the truth without any reservations at all.
This was where the "tester" showed me the chart and told me that I was not telling the truth.

The ONLY people who believe that polygraph tests can accurately tell anything are those who sell them, and those who make their living testing.
From personal experience they are horse hocky.
50 posted on 11/03/2006 8:50:48 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: retMD

oh, believe me, I'm not excusing what has happened and I don't think the head of NEA (or whatever it is) should be doing meth! I'm just pointing out that that "could" be why they are saying he confessed to a portion of the accusations, not all.

In my mind, it could be a likely scenario that the gay community would make up that one is having sex with the guy that spearheaded the anti gay marriage movement in 04 to get their point across.

Meth is VERY prevalent in the gay community as well. Perhaps that was just the contact he had.

But again, meth is THEE most addictive drug out there, by far. The guy doesn't need to be leading a double life. He needs to get out of the leadership position and get his act together.


51 posted on 11/03/2006 8:51:30 AM PST by spacejunkie
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To: svcw
The Denver Post is having huge layoffs. They are losing subscribers with no hope in sight. If they think reporting a story that cannot be confirmed is going to endear them to the public, they ought to guess again.

If they have been working with this homosexual druggie for months, why didn't they give him a lie detector test before publishing his story.

52 posted on 11/03/2006 8:51:45 AM PST by OldFriend (JOHN F. KERRY, BETRAYING OUR TROOPS AGAIN)
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To: ko_kyi
At the time no. I really believed they worked and operated under the foolish assumption that if you have nothing to hide, then this thing would clear you.
53 posted on 11/03/2006 8:53:10 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: retMD
But if he bought the meth, which many posters seem to prefer, he broke the law.
Absolutely, Nobody (that I am aware of anyway) is trying to justify his behavior.
54 posted on 11/03/2006 8:56:34 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: MineralMan

People need to remember, the reason polygraph results aren't admissible in court is because they don't "measure" the "truth"...they measure bodily reactions. The body's reactions change under the stress of media attention, etc, and so the test results change. False results happen far more often than most lay people realize: a lot of otherwise fine applicants for positions as FBI special agents get dinged because they get nervous during the polygraph exam even though they haven't done anything illegal. Even the Bureau recognizes that this has become a problem.


55 posted on 11/03/2006 8:59:07 AM PST by Paladin2b
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To: OldFriend
Its unknown..I mean really who can explain the "main stream" media except their attempt to destroy conservatives / Republicans / Christians / America.
It appears from what I am reading is that Ted has a drug problem not a homosexual relationship. What I find ironic is that the liberals / democrats champion homosexuality and drug use ..oh wait thats only if you are a liberal / homosexual / drug user.
56 posted on 11/03/2006 9:05:05 AM PST by svcw
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To: johniegrad

David Limbaugh's book about war on christianity is right on.....


57 posted on 11/03/2006 9:07:56 AM PST by auto power
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To: MineralMan

They work well on the truthful, who have deep misgivings when they lie. But they don't work at all on pathological liars, who feel no compunction when they lie.


58 posted on 11/03/2006 9:15:09 AM PST by raftguide
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To: bahblahbah

Kresnik suggested that Jones be re-tested early next week after he was rested.

Like on Tues evening at 8 PM after the polls have closed.


59 posted on 11/03/2006 9:15:43 AM PST by kalee
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To: Paladin2b
False results happen far more often than most lay people realize
I don't know about how much they are wrong, bit I know that for me, it was totally wrong.
I was in tactical missiles and we had a guidance unit that was damaged and a classified part was missing. I, unfortunately, signed off the previous evenings post flight inspection paperwork. All was well when I left the shop at 11pm. When I returned the next afternoon around 2:30pm for my shift, the missile was cordoned off in one of the bays and we were told to stay away from it. There was even a SP stationed to "guard" it.
Not only did I have no knowledge of how or when it was damaged, to this day I only have their word that it actually WAS damaged. (And that of the shop chief - my boss) I never even saw it after the post flight inspection.
The "inspector" from OSI showed me the chart where I failed when asked if I had any knowledge of who broke it or how it was broken.

No sir, saying someone passed or failed a polygraph has the same significance to me as telling me someone started walking this morning with their left foot, not their right.
It has no meaning at all.
60 posted on 11/03/2006 9:16:43 AM PST by GrandEagle
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