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To: spacecowboynj
That excerpt from Mein Kampf is a direct praise of Lincoln's policies.

No it's not. All it is is a statement that that states created after the original 13 were creations of the United States and not the other way around.Hitler also praised modern highways. Does that mean that Eisenhower was a fascist?

But the war was not about slavery, and we bot know that. It was about Lincoln's "American System" beliefs that he adopted from Clay.

Ah, that must be why all the secession documents talked about Henry Clay and the American System. Oh, wait. They mostly talked about slavery.

Try reading some books that aren't spoonfeeding you what you want to hear.

1,067 posted on 03/06/2007 2:39:51 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("fyi, i CAN get you banned."--stand watie)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

"All it is is a statement that that states created after the original 13 were creations of the United States and not the other way around."

As if. The states were very much entities unto themselves in the 19th century. This is not the Whisky Rebellion (READ: a bunch of pissed off farmers), we're talking about more than half the country. In fact, one state almost completely dropped out decades earlier due to unfair taxation. Just to put this into realistic terms:

http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/keemakoo/scsuccesiom.html

I know this is a stretch for you, but states leaving the union was a very, very real thing then. Otherwise, utterly intelligent, well-meaning men would never have attempted it more than once. In fact, I believe it's implicit in the Federalist Papers that they had this right. When it appeared on the horizon of his presidency, Lincoln, ever the attack dog, never attempted to negotioate, but to strike and wage a bloody, bloody war the even he never expected.

Fine, you're ok with the blood spilled in the Civil War. That was your way of going about it. It was necessary to you. I've got that.

"Hitler also praised modern highways. Does that mean that Eisenhower was a fascist?"

Althought a member of the GOP Eisenhower was a noted liberal famous for tax hikes. No, I don't believe you should be taxed to pay for my highways. I believe in defense of this country primarily. Tomorrow you'll be defending a tax hike for my grandma's retirement. Oh wait, we already have that. I guess you'll be defending a tax hike so that you and others can feed my kid at school. Oh wait, the school lunch program is a federal program. I guess you'll be defending a tax hike for buying people medicine. Oh wait, it's one of the biggest socialist programs in world history and it's called Medicaid.

"Henry Clay and the American System. Oh, wait. They mostly talked about slavery."

Henry Clay gave a rat's ass about slavery? Yuk yuk! At the GOP convention Lincoln promised northern industrialist that he would make good on the Morrill Tariff. That he would fleece the South to pay for public works projects in the north.

Lincoln was a lawyer for chrissakes!

The GOP were in power for over 30 years as the tax and spend party of the 19th century (does that not blow your mind?) and actually lost the House after decades because people had had enough of their tax increases!!!!


1,068 posted on 03/06/2007 3:52:15 PM PST by spacecowboynj
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