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Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3

Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys

Thread Number 3


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To: Rte66; mom4kittys
OH - that worked! Hooray! Now if I'm doing something wrong - if this is too much space or something - please let me know. I have several more to show you - but don't want to do it the wrong way. Let me know what I should do.

I'll show you 3 other 3 rooms and if you want to see more details - maybe I can link you to the tiny pics website?

These are the 3 other rooms:

Sitting Room

Dining Room

Parlor

10,821 posted on 05/06/2007 3:50:06 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Jane Austen

“””So far no one has been able to present HKS as possessing any good character traits””

http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/OldArchive/bbs.mealey.html

2.5.1 Machiavellianism

Christie (1970) notes that people who seek to control and manipulate others often become lawyers, psychiatrists, or behavioral scientists;


10,822 posted on 05/06/2007 3:57:20 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Lizarde
Liz..Those little Ramen soup packs are loaded with Protein. They're soooo cheap...I make one pack...have half for lunch and the other half for a snack later on. Salad with lotsa cheese bits is another thing for snacks.

Going on a high protein diet really helped me out but you must exercise...casual walking is best.

I also drink grape juice every day. I buy the gallon size and pour 8 ounces into a spare bottle and sit down with it when I watch TV at night. (A sober wino). VIT C-100% of recommended

10,823 posted on 05/06/2007 4:00:10 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

They are magnificent! You made these? My favorite is the captain’s room and the sitting room, but they are all beautiful.


10,824 posted on 05/06/2007 4:02:05 PM PDT by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: Sacajaweau
***”” My question now is?? How best friends were KE and Anna?? KE was obviously a “paid” best friend.””

“”I can picture Anna confiding in KE and KE passing everything unto Howard. I believe Anna was going to testify against Howard at the inquest and had told KE in secret. The rest is History.”””
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Excellent speculation on all points concerning both KE and HKS. The ‘I hate mommy’ video was canned and waiting for just the right moment, to be aired, for all to see. And yes, it does hint at pre-meditation with HKS being seen(probably by accident) prompting Anna as to what to say. Not sure if it means anything, but Anna also used the words, ‘Bring it on’, in the email to G Ben Thompson.

As far as KE’s friendship with Anna, the ole phrase ‘with friends like KE, who needs enemies’ definitely applies. Your speculation of KE passing on Anna’s confidential conversations to HKS, such as her testifying against him at Daniel’s inquest, is extremely probable.

If the Nannies are to be believed, Anna did in fact, blame HKS for Daniel’s death, and therefore could have relayed those accusations to KE, whom she assumed was her friend. Any sociopath would hardily agree HKS had no other choice, than to stop Anna from repeating those accusations at Daniel’s inquest. After all, according to HKS, Anna’s death would make her happy, since she would be with Daniel. ‘sarcasm’

According to those who were with Anna that last week, Anna was critically ill. However, her ‘two best friends’, neglected to get her the medical help, that could have saved her. Could Anna’s tearful, pleading words to KE - “Please don’t leave me” - have actually been, “Please don’t leave me alone with HKS”???

In the past, we heard a previous assistant of Anna’s, say - orders from HKS were to NOT call 911, but to wait for him to determine what to do. If HKS gave Anna’s employees/friends this instruction, you’d think after Daniel’s death, the rules would have changed.

Daniel’s tragic and suspicious death, should have put all involved, on ‘High Alert’, to prevent another death by drugs. But instead of being careful, KE and HKS continued to dispense multiple drugs to Anna?? Moe knowing what caused Daniel’s death and how ill Anna was, still delayed calling 911. Why?? Did Taz perhaps tell Moe that Anna was already dead??

KE had to know how easy it would be for Anna to overdose on CH, especially in combination with the other respiratory suppressing drugs. We know the CH was hidden in the infamous bag. Its still a * mystery * how Anna ended up with the LETHAL morning dose of CH.(Note KE used the word mystery to describe the manner of death, prior to it being released as accidental drug-overdose) It makes no sense for Anna to want to go back to sleep at 10am, when they were scheduled to take possession of ‘The Cracker’ and set sail the very day she died.

When KE was interviewed by ET on the so called flight back to Florida, she appeared more like a giddy teenager, than a professional doctor, whose best friend had just died, from drugs that she herself had prescribed. It was very chilling to hear her describe speaking to one of the EMT personnel, on the scene. She said something similar to this ‘is she like dead’, with an eerie grin on her face. KE also worried that HKS would be alone with the police. Why would that worry her??

Both KE and especially HKS, knew Anna’s Mom, Virgie had warned Anna she better get away fast, or she might suffer the same fate that Daniel did. Virgie stated - Anna, you might be next. I’m having great difficulty putting into words, just how bizarre it was, for both KE and HKS to NOT have been SUPER CAREFUL, with monitoring/or dispensing Anna’s intake of drugs.

What are the odds of TWO DRUG OVER-DOSES, by a Mother and Son, within 5 months of each other, with the same person or persons being linked to the events??? Astronomical, I’d say. But yet, we find the media now focused on vilifying Virgie, who is the one person who warned Anna of the impending danger that awaited her. Sorry for the long post! ;(

10,825 posted on 05/06/2007 4:02:52 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: mom4kittys
Yes, I made these (well, hubby made the boxes, put in the wallpaper and flooring and lighting) - I decorated them, and planned them, and got all the little miniatures to go in them. Am glad you like them!

The boxes are mahogany wood that we ordered from somewhere in Central America. The fireplace in the Captain's room and the log holder in that fireplace were ordered from Great Britain. The chair and desk in the Captain's room were handmade by a wonderful miniature furniture maker in Tennessee. So that room is my favorite too!

10,826 posted on 05/06/2007 4:11:18 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Lizarde
Thanks, Liz! They were a joy to make. Though when hubby was putting in the flooring and the wallpaper I got so nervous he had to tell me, "go to the back of the house".....because I was driving him crazy!!!

Anyway these boxes are on either side of my dining room mirror so I USE them in my house.

I also have a whole doll house cut through so you only see the rooms as in a roombox - but I haven't taken pictures of those rooms. That is an early 1900's roombox.

Anyway - don't have the time or the money for this hobby any more - but it was fun when I was doing it.

I am sorry to read you are still recovering from your dental surgery - energy wise. Am sure it is from your eating restrictions....such a big change must have a major impact on your energy. Do you use a food processor and grind up some chicken/beef to get some more protein from that? Could you eat like chicken salad with minced chicken? And I know you must be taking vitamins. Here's hoping you recuperate soon....back to your old energetic self!

10,828 posted on 05/06/2007 4:21:50 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

I really admire your handiwork. Ii would be so proud if I had that kind of talent!


10,829 posted on 05/06/2007 4:25:22 PM PDT by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: Rte66; mom4kittys; Lizarde
Here are a few more pics of these rooms - closerup.

Captain's Room - closeup view of the desk and its contents.

The little ink well/candle holder also came from England and is a prize possession. You can see the Captain's spectacles, his ledger book, his pistol, a little box for his keys and other things, and a miniature canon if you look closely. Also, his tricornered hat is in the chair. His spyglass if on the tripod so he can look out to view his ship in the harbor which shows up through the window. The model ship on the wall is a miniature of his own ship. The rug on the floor is handwoven by a cousin who works on a loom and creates beautiful rugs both tiny and large.

10,830 posted on 05/06/2007 4:29:22 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: mom4kittys
Thanks, mom4kittys. Well for some reason I've been fascinated by miniatures all my life so turned it into a little hobby as an adult....glad you enjoy them. I used to make little rooms out of sticks and rocks and leaves as a child...and, of course, had the dollhouse but never a really good dollhouse.

My favorite historical period in our nation's history is the Revolutionary War era - and these "rooms" reflect that time period and, perhaps, a Captain who would later serve in America's fledgling Navy.

10,831 posted on 05/06/2007 4:35:02 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

I absolutely love them. Do you make shadow boxes for personal momentos as well or is that an entirely different thing?


10,832 posted on 05/06/2007 4:42:20 PM PDT by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: mom4kittys; Lizarde; Rte66
Ok, posting some other closeups with comments and then will be done. Thanks to all who gave me the idea and encouragement to find a way to take and post these pics. LOL. Never thought of doing that til now.

Rte66 and I share the enthusiasm of miniaturists - see what you learn on this "unimportant" thread??? Hope you enjoy, Rte - and glad others like them as well.

Closeup of Parlor. Had much fun finding the items to go on the Secretary. Especially like the little ink well with the feather ink pen, the pewter patriots marching, the bust of George Washington, and there's a little ceramic of a bird on a branch.

In the shelf box (on the right of this picture) are 3 ceramics and a silver ink holder while on the little table is another ceramic of a bird on a branch, plus some books which have fallen over (uh oh-bad housekeeper), and a little framed flower (can't see that clearly).

Ok, will do the others in separate posts.

10,833 posted on 05/06/2007 4:47:32 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: mom4kittys
So glad you enjoy them! Really!

No I've never tried doing boxes for others - like for mimentos of a favorite scene from their life - but I know others do this.

That would be fun to do if I were retired and rich - and I'm not - either one of those....LOL.

As far as making them to sell - well that was a thought back when doing them - but I never thought I could get paid what it took in terms of labor and costs of all that went into them so I never took up with that idea.

So they were just a private joy. Now am glad to be able to share them with you.

10,834 posted on 05/06/2007 4:51:48 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Pepper777
No one has answered this question: "Was Daniel tested for Chloral Hydrate?"

The reason I ask is because we KNOW that it is rarely tested for....and HOWARD did order the autopsy dude. In addition, Howard said that Daniel said he was suddenly "sleepy" and perhaps he (Howard) should have thought more of it at the time. Since when does SLEEPY equate to death??

Daniel must have felt "DIZZY"...and Howard probably gave him the methadone dose at that time (between 6:30 and 7:00 AM) in iced tea??) So they would find a large dose of meth....and not even look for the chloral hydrate which is what made Daniel...NOT SLEEPY...BUT "DIZZY".

I would suppose that this life story garbage which shows Daniel's death would agree with what Anna told the cops.....many days after Daniel died and in fact....MUST BE...CAN ONLY BE...the story that Howard "Made Up"...and will "WRITE AND DIRECT" in the movie.

IT was supposed to be a screen movie but you can bet your booties that if he can get it on TV.....every potential juror in the Bahamas will be notified.

10,835 posted on 05/06/2007 5:02:35 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Rte66; mom4kittys; Lizarde; Arizona Carolyn
(AC - meant to include you in these pings - check out previous posts re: other miniature room boxes)

Here's one more closeup. This is of the Sitting Room. I must say this little digital camera did pretty well for these little rooms - I was surprised. Not fantastic, but good.

The Sitting Room was the first room I made. It has a fireplace (look back on the first pic) that flickers. The cabinet here has some more fun little things in it like miniature HAND BLOWN glass pitchers (from Williamsburg); a ceramic pitcher; a pewter pitcher and pewter cups. Notice the Picture of George Washington on the wall - he was well known and admired by this captain and is highlighted 3 times in these room boxes. Now if you look at the chair there is an oxymoronic little stitched pillow that says "DEACS"....a bit of fun I did after finding a mini UNC pillo and a mini-Wake Forest Deacs pillow. Put them in this Revolutionary War era house just to have fun....can't take this work that seriously, you know? Oh you can't see them well but the little ceramic urns on the corner of the mantel (one on each corner) are mini-treasures that I cherish also.

10,836 posted on 05/06/2007 5:03:07 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: mom4kittys

Thank you


10,837 posted on 05/06/2007 6:31:43 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: sodpoodle
Christie (1970) notes that people who seek to control and manipulate others often become lawyers, psychiatrists, or behavioral scientists;

Yep, that's what I learned, too. Psychopaths are overrepresented in law and psychiatry, and, if I recall, politics (big surprise there).

Robert Hare is currently the pre-eminent authority on psychopaths, and he even admits to being fooled by them more than a few times.

You don't want a psycho in regular therapy, cause all they learn is how to act more human and how to better fool laypeople and authorities. As a psychiatrist, just imagine!

10,838 posted on 05/06/2007 7:28:20 PM PDT by fluffytoo (I have known psychos, and you, sir, are a psycho.)
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To: gopheraj

Typically the “culprit” is taken off to jail in handcuffs immediately after the verdict is read (according to Nancy Grace).


10,839 posted on 05/06/2007 7:49:54 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: sodpoodle; nynjanais; Jane Austen; Rte66; tabor; kcw2007; Dante3; Lizarde; All
Speaking of Machiavellianism, manipulation is the stock in trade of psychopaths (I distinguish between sociopaths and psychopaths, in that the former can be described better by behaviour and the latter by state of mind/traits, but of course, they overlap).

The following comes from an article on manipulative people that can be found here: http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing11.html

I've presented the principal tactics that covert-aggressives use to manipulate and control others. They are not always easy to recognize. Although all aggressive personalities tend to use these tactics, covert-aggressives generally use them slickly, subtly and adeptly. Anyone dealing with a covertly aggressive person will need to heighten gut-level sensitivity to the use of these tactics if they're to avoid being taken in by them.

Playing the Servant Role – Covert-aggressives use this tactic to cloak their self-serving agendas in the guise of service to a more noble cause. It's a common tactic but difficult to recognize. By pretending to be working hard on someone else's behalf, covert-aggressives conceal their own ambition, desire for power, and quest for a position of dominance over others. (It's what Anna would have wanted; the Marshall millions; lackey extraordinaire)

Seduction – Covert-aggressive personalities are adept at charming, praising, flattering or overtly supporting others in order to get them to lower their defenses and surrender their trust and loyalty. Covert-aggressives are also particularly aware that people who are to some extent emotionally needy and dependent (and that includes most people who aren't character-disordered) want approval, reassurance, and a sense of being valued and needed more than anything. Appearing to be attentive to these needs can be a manipulator's ticket to incredible power over others. ....

He melts any resistance you might have to giving him your loyalty and confidence. He does this by giving you what he knows you need most. He knows you want to feel valued and important. So, he often tells you that you are. You don't find out how unimportant you really are to him until you turn out to be in his way. (Anna, now Larry, and g-d knows who else!)

Projecting the blame (blaming others) – Aggressive personalities are always looking for a way to shift the blame for their aggressive behavior. Covert-aggressives are not only skilled at finding scapegoats, they're expert at doing so in subtle, hard to detect ways. (All together now, "VIRGIE!!!!)

Diversion – A moving target is hard to hit. When we try to pin a manipulator down or try to keep a discussion focused on a single issue or behavior we don't like, he's expert at knowing how to change the subject, dodge the issue or in some way throw us a curve. (e.g., Howard as 'Prissy', in Seidlin's court- "I don't know nuthin' 'bout medications, duh" (reference all the drugs prescribed to him); "it's all Virgie's fault") Manipulators use distraction and diversion techniques to keep the focus off their behavior, move us off-track, and keep themselves free to promote their self-serving hidden agendas. (e.g., Daniel's inquest; Anna's death- anyone? anyone??? helloooo?)

10,840 posted on 05/06/2007 8:00:56 PM PDT by fluffytoo (I have known psychos, and you, sir, are a psycho.)
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