Posted on 07/06/2007 8:32:39 PM PDT by tnarg
"When I grew up, being gay, being a sissy or anything like that, was verboten," Chamberlain tells NBC. "I disliked myself intensely and feared this part of myself intensely and had to hide it."
It is not pleasant being homosexual.
Ok. The debate is on. Those who say a person is born gay. Those who say a person chooses gay.
So the room heats up with every emotion possible as the two go at it.
Which is it?
Some biblically religious state that God would not make a homosexual. Therefore, the homosexual chooses to be one; therefore, he is at fault at best and at sin at worst.
The 'other side' says that deity has nothing to do with it. A person is born homosexual — period. It's just a fact of biological reality.
Then we have Esera Tuaolo, 34, NFL player for nine years, who reveals that he is homosexual in an HBO interview on "Real Sports".
Athlete tough guy tells the world that he retired early in 1999 because of excessive frustration over keeping to himself his sexual orientation.
He told reporters that "they didn't know who Esera Tuaolo is." He claims that most of his public life was nothing more than acting out a part that was not fact.
Tuaolo, native of Hawaii, went into severe depression over his orientation, so much so that at times when driving at high speeds he contemplated twisting the wheel in the direction of ending-it-all. His head got that bad.
Tuaolo's remarks remind me of Rosie O'Donnell's TV dialogue with Barbara Walters. Rosie stated she was born homosexual. She said that no one would choose that lifestyle for it is laden with too much anguish; in other words, anyone in her right mind would choose heterosexual.
Back to the debate: I side with those who conclude that a person is born homosexual. And that does no disservice to God.
If one reads Genesis' first chapters, these verses state that when God created all things planetary, all was good. But there was a snake in the garden. Eve yielded to the snake's lure. Then Adam. And so both sphere and soul fell, that is, both became severely damaged due to mortals’ disobedience.
That damage impregnates everything, including the sexual nature of male and female.
In the heterosexual, not all is well, for sure. For instance, there is always the striving to return to marital paradise between heterosexual husband and wife. Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't.
In the 'original sin' damage dealt to a spiritually fallen world, some mortals are thereby conceived with a homosexual bent--plain and simple. They grow up with that bent. At puberty they sense it come to the fore. As adolescence progresses, it becomes more pronounced.
Most deal with the latter realization with as many emotions as there are homosexuals--confusion, angst, denial, anger, depression, fear, faithlessness, and so forth.
Some 'out' with it; the vast majority live with the secret.
However, if one can understand biblical truth, one can begin to grapple with the spiritual aspect of the situation so as not to blame God. The snake is the one to blame—along with our first parents.
Eve and Adam went for snake's bait. All humans sadly have paid the awful personal price ever since, some being dealt another-than-heterosexual bent.
Bottom-lines according to the Bible:
Homosexual orientation is not a sin.
Homosexual practice is a sin.
Heterosexual practice outside of marriage is a sin.
Therefore, both homosexual and single heterosexual believers call upon the Holy Spirit’s fruit of discipline to live the victorious spiritual life.
How are transvestites born wanting to wear the clothes of the other sex? We are born naked. Clothing is dictated by fashion and culture.
There may be a desire to dress like a girl but it doesn’t come from deep inside BEING part girl. It is a fetish. And for some like Edward D. Wood Jr., the director and porno novel writer, it didn’t even spring from being swishy. He was a heterosexual male.
interesting but have no clue as to how to answer you with your q’s.
I side with those who conclude that a person is born homosexual.As stated in post 49, I think it's complicated.
You said change is rare... but from everything I've read the rate of change is increasing. Word is getting out that change is possible as more people read the stories of former homosexuals.
We all struggle with sin, indeed. One of my main concerns is helping to prevent our most precious resource, our children, from struggling with the sin of homosexuality. What's happening in our culture today is sad, as children continue to be bombarded with everything under the sun at too early an age. It really grieves my spirit.
thank you
yes, i grieve with you per your note.
i do believe persons are born homosexual per ‘the fall’ as set forth in my post.
but even that can be changed by the grace of the divine, however, i believe same to be a rare situation.
we are all tattered in one way or another due to ‘the fall’ but grace has found us and made that which was once a cast off a forgiven soul.
“This is unadulterated nonsense. The original sin in the garden didn’t make future sins excusable. There’s nothing Biblical behind the assertion that people are born gay. The Bible repeatedly denounces homosexuality.”
Gay “logic” at it’s worst.
the post does not support ‘gay logic.’
Actually no, it isn’t complicated at all. We, or rather some of us MAKE it complicated. As for homosexuals, it is common sense, and well known, that man was granted free will. The Lord does not drag us kicking and screaming to His will, that is up to us. We can indulge in any number of perversions as human beings with free will. Just because we may envision a fantasy, does not mean we should act on it. THAT is all homosexuality is about.
LOL!
Is your cap key broken? ;)
LOL!
“Back to the debate: I side with those who conclude that a person is born homosexual. And that does no disservice to God.”
Gay logic in it’s most twisted form.
No one is born homosexual. It does a diservice to God to state such a lie.
o really. i am sure many wrestling with the matter only wish it were that simple.
life is filled with complexities.
the simple gospel of salvation by divine grace is about the only actual issue that can be reduced to such a wonderful, blessed simplicity that even children understand it.
o that u had only that to concern u, eh?
o well, keep the wheel going round and round. in these situations i cordially dismount.
thanks for noting that.
This issue has been complicated on purpose, and by a very well stratagized plan.
Homosexuals are sneaky. Truth is their worst enemy.
I was just checking the web for the "Missionary Style Only Pride Parade".
good one.
those who know not christ play games with deceit.
those who know christ wrestle with their urges but don’t join the sneaky parade.
I hear ya ...
Right on!
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