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Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (Spoiler Alert!!)
07/11/07 | Dianna

Posted on 07/11/2007 12:44:49 AM PDT by Dianna

Please DO NOT read this thread if you have not seen the movie. Even if you have read this book, topics under discussion can affect what you will expect in the last book.

Several pet theories for the Deathy Hallows have, perhaps, been laid to rest by the release of this movie. A number of plot points I had thought were important to the end of the series were completely left out of Order of the Phoenix.

1. There is absolutely NO reference to the cleaning of Grimmauld Place. Thus, any speculation about the locket horcrux being hoarded by Kreacher must be false.

2. The prophecy was never heard in full. The portion of the prophecy which could have referred to Neville instead of Harry was omitted.

3. There was no mention of Percy's estrangement from his family. Percy was shown at Fudge's side at important points, but unless his face was remembered from previous movies, people not reading the book may not have caught that.

There were two plot changes which puzzled me. Cho was the one who gave Dumbledore's Army away, not the unimportant character of Marietta. Also, Sirius, before he falls through the veil calls Harry, "James". I assume these changes have a point, but I don't know what.

There was also no reference to Hermione and Ron being Prefects. There was no Quidditch at all, so Ron would not be on the team.


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To: dragonblustar

I think he is evil.


141 posted on 07/11/2007 4:10:11 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: null and void
OTOH, Umbridge was very good, I would have had her just a hair more cloyingly sweet, and Luna was darn near perfect.

Luna was almost too sweet and not nearly weird enough. It seemed to me that they were trying to set up a Harry/Luna match.

142 posted on 07/11/2007 4:10:47 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Remole
Does the movie include the detention and the writing-instrument-from-hell?

Yes, it does!

143 posted on 07/11/2007 4:11:16 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Revolting cat!

Just the horse.


144 posted on 07/11/2007 4:12:43 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: schwing_wifey
I’d like to know if the scene with Fred and George leaving school is in the movie...

Yep, it's a combination of the two big scenes in which George and Fred were involved in the book, but leaves out some things from the second one.

145 posted on 07/11/2007 4:14:08 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Dianna
Luna was almost too sweet and not nearly weird enough. It seemed to me that they were trying to set up a Harry/Luna match.

Were it not for Ginny, I could go for that.

A man could do worse than a woman named "Lovegood"...

146 posted on 07/11/2007 4:14:51 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: Revolting cat!
why in all these movies none of the characters is ever shown going to the bathroom and doing the usual business there, number 1 or number 2?

This is a British movie, not a Spanish one. ;o)

147 posted on 07/11/2007 4:17:20 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: JenB
Now, Deathly Hallows, that I would avoid spoiling at all costs. Almost time for that!

Yeah, and we'll only have the two American versions for several days before my British one arrives. So Clare and Joseph will read it before I get the chance to do so. They're good about not spoiling, though. I'll just have to avoid the threads about it on FR!

148 posted on 07/11/2007 4:19:14 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: balch3
I think people shouldn’t be encouraging children to get involved in the occult.

Neither do I, so that's why Harry Potter is so much fun to read. It's FICTION, and most kids are smart enough to understand that. It's an awful lot of fun to IMAGINE, though, that one has those kinds of powers.

149 posted on 07/11/2007 4:22:53 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
The midnight showing our teenagers and I went to was mostly teens and young adults, with a few, ahem, middle aged folks like me, mixed in.

We had two theaters packed last night. It was the first time we've gone at midnight and I don't think we'll do it again. There was a lot of cheering and clapping going on for the "good stuff", I feel like I missed a lot of dialogue.

150 posted on 07/11/2007 4:32:26 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: SuziQ
Yeah, and we'll only have the two American versions for several days before my British one arrives.

Aside from specific word changes to be more American friendly, are there many differences between the two versions?

151 posted on 07/11/2007 4:34:16 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna

I don’t think there are any substantive differences, with the exception of the book covers. The British covers are more ‘adult’ and less cartoonish than the American ones. I just like having a full set of the British ones.


152 posted on 07/11/2007 4:38:55 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
And they didn’t dumb down the title of the first book like they did for an American audience.
153 posted on 07/11/2007 4:44:28 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: null and void; dragonblustar; EmilyGeiger

Snape is definitely NOT evil... but I’m dying to find out what hold Dumbledore had over him to make him play out that scene in HBP and take Malfoy’s place.

If any of you recall, one of the kids overheard him arguing with Dumbledore over not doing something... and I’m positive it was that final “kill” scene.

Curious though...Dumbledore set his own death up...either planned or accidental. Hmmmmmm......


154 posted on 07/11/2007 4:47:10 PM PDT by schwing_wifey (Lily was mistaken..The Borg are Swedish..Resistance is Futile.....)
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To: schwing_wifey

I many be one of the few who is still not convinced that Dumbledore is dead. If Snape didn’t ‘mean it’ when he pronounced the curse, it may have been just for show, to make Malfoy and the other Death Eaters think he’d killed Dumbledore so they could tell Voldemort that Snape had done it. That just cements Snape’s place among the Death Eaters and gives the Order a valuable spy in their midst.


155 posted on 07/11/2007 4:52:07 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Dianna
Wasn't there a single W as the logo on the skiving snackboxes?? It was for Weasley, I assumed.

Yep. Still, it was amusing.

156 posted on 07/11/2007 5:10:49 PM PDT by js1138
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To: SuziQ

Oooouuuuuu! I like the way you think....but I need to re-read the scene with Hagrid picking up his body and Harry looking at him....

Wait.... remember, he appears asleep in a portrait in his old office (now McG’s office).... maybe like Obi Wan in Star Wars, he becomes more powerful (and helpful) in death?

Still I can see him sacrificing himself to save another...in this case, the little but good part of Draco...

but you’re right, it makes Snape’s cover look really good now...

BTW..did anyone see the sign the guy was carrying last week at that Nathan’s Hot Dog competition..talk about trying to be a spoiler!!! No, don’t ask unless you send it private...


157 posted on 07/11/2007 5:20:31 PM PDT by schwing_wifey (Lily was mistaken..The Borg are Swedish..Resistance is Futile.....)
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To: schwing_wifey
Snape is definitely NOT evil...

I suspect this simple inability to recognize evil is why so many wimin fall for the bad boys. Eva Braun said the same thing about Hitler, and Saddam's wimin about him...

158 posted on 07/11/2007 5:46:59 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: SuziQ
I many be one of the few who is still not convinced that Dumbledore is dead. If Snape didn’t ‘mean it’ when he pronounced the curse, it may have been just for show, to make Malfoy and the other Death Eaters think he’d killed Dumbledore so they could tell Voldemort that Snape had done it. That just cements Snape’s place among the Death Eaters and gives the Order a valuable spy in their midst.

I don't think you are amongst "the few". I think the same thing ... and have since I read HBP. There's a site out there, can't remember where it it, that takes the Dumbledore death and funeral scenes and deconstructs them in detail to show the evidence that Dumbledore didn't die. I can't remember every piece, but one is how when Dumbledore gets hit by the Avada Kaveda (sp?) spell his body doesn't react like the others who get hit with it throughout the series. His body DOES react exactly like another well-used spell, however.
159 posted on 07/11/2007 5:48:21 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: null and void
A case in point:

What I Will Say If I Ever Get a Chance to Meet My Notorious Father-in-Law

The British woman who has become the daughter-in-law of Osama bin Laden...

160 posted on 07/11/2007 5:58:57 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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