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PC Magazine Editor Throws in the Towel on Vista
Slashdot ^ | 8/18/2008

Posted on 08/18/2007 6:28:28 PM PDT by sionnsar

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To: narses

My experience mirrors his. The number of drivers not working correctly (sound especially) and programs that called no longer existing functions became too annoying. Microsoft might have been ready with Vista, but most other companies were not ready to support it.


41 posted on 08/18/2007 7:10:03 PM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: sionnsar

I’ve been hacking at Ubuntu 7.04 trying to get my wireless card to work on an older laptop. Getting it it do WPA/WPA2 has been really fun. My goal is to be able to move my main machine to Linux and run XP when needed in a VM on VMWare Workstation.


42 posted on 08/18/2007 7:11:49 PM PDT by PogySailor (Murtha'd: To be attacked by a corrupt politician for doing your job.)
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To: 11th_VA

I don’t know how much longer they’ll do it, but Dell is still offering some laptops with XP. And they also offer some with Ubuntu preloaded.


43 posted on 08/18/2007 7:11:54 PM PDT by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: PogySailor

Hmmm...I use Debian, and I just had to install KNetworkManager, and it is extremely simple to connect. Just right click on the system tray icon, and pick the network to which you want to connect. Put in your key if necessary, and you’re on. It remembers networks to which you have previously connected, too, and automatically reconnects.


44 posted on 08/18/2007 7:15:02 PM PDT by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: sionnsar

My grandmother is running Windows 3.1 ... still ..... of course she’s not on the Internet but doesn’t want it ....


45 posted on 08/18/2007 7:18:53 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("If builders built airplanes the way FAA writes FARs then the first pilot would have been a woman")
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To: miele man
Well, pray tell, how do you run an update to a program that has not yet been installed?

Oh, stop your whining. It is no harder than booting a system without a boot loader or a BIOS. From my experience it usually requires a breadboard, lots of wiring, some ugly tech manuals, and lots of NAND gates.

I would recommend that they just write the program themselves. Then they can write it with the update already in code and skip this little problem entirely!

46 posted on 08/18/2007 7:20:40 PM PDT by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: ovrtaxt
"I’d install XP over it immediately if I could."

What's stopping you??? Lots of "full install" of XP still available, either true retail or via E-bay.

47 posted on 08/18/2007 7:20:45 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: webboy45

I have a ‘free upgrade’ for Vista for my laptop, should I even bother to get it? I am heavely into graphics and on the computer all the time.

Just don’t know much about it and am happy with XP on my desktop computer.


48 posted on 08/18/2007 7:21:10 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: 11th_VA
A lot of new laptops don't support XP - I'm in the market for a new laptop now, and I want it with XP.

Several manufacturers are making XP available through the end of the year.

49 posted on 08/18/2007 7:21:10 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar; hiredhand

On new desktop I just put together for home use ........ I use dual OS of Vista and XP Pro...... I have smaller / older desktops I used Ubuntu (linux) OS w/ open office. Those with Linux OS are screamers for just surfing the net and e-mail etc etc ....

The Vista OS is in dire need of tweeks that little Billy Gates seems to have forgotten. We don’t use it , but we have it. My bad spend of 2007 thus far !

Stay safe !


50 posted on 08/18/2007 7:22:17 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: mgstarr

Vista was developed by little boys who grew up on Riddlin, kids who never milked a real cow, or eaten wheat that was rubbed in your hands and chewed. It’s not NORMAL, this Vista program, and the Dell folks pulled a fast one on me, I’ve gotten my first MacBook, and encourage anyone with 98.6 degrees in their bodies to dump Bill Gates and his monopolies and King of the Road attitude. Of course if you think Fruit Loops is high tech, full of fiber and good for your liver, you’ll probably like Vista.


51 posted on 08/18/2007 7:22:31 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Artemis Webb

I answered. I suspect I may have a few years on you. Might I suggest a small degree of softness in your language might avoid misunderstandings? Spam is a tad pejorative, no?


52 posted on 08/18/2007 7:25:25 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: PogySailor
I’ve been hacking at Ubuntu 7.04 trying to get my wireless card to work on an older laptop. Getting it it do WPA/WPA2 has been really fun. My goal is to be able to move my main machine to Linux and run XP when needed in a VM on VMWare Workstation.

I can imagine. Unsupported (or poorly-supported) hardware is the source of pretty much all my Linux issues of late.

When you get it going -- will you publish it? It may be a help to others.

53 posted on 08/18/2007 7:27:01 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: webboy45
What differences did you find between XP and Linux?

Simply saying one is inferior to the other would be like saying:

I drive both a Toyota Camry and a truk, and I've found the truk to be far inferior to the Camry.
Depending on what you're doing, what matters to you, and which truck (I intentionally misspelled truck, mimic'ing your misspelling of Linux), there could be widely diverse answers as to why you preferred the car over the truck. A blanket, categorical "inferior" labeling doesn't tell us much.
54 posted on 08/18/2007 7:27:54 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (The Greens steal in fear of pollution, The Reds in fear of greed; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: sionnsar

I’m running Max OSX 10.4.10 and I see no compelling reason to downgrade to Vista.

Bill from NJ


55 posted on 08/18/2007 7:29:23 PM PDT by njmaugbill
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To: sionnsar

Google = Linux. Better sell your Microsoft. The party’s over.

Regards, Ed


56 posted on 08/18/2007 7:31:06 PM PDT by YankeeDoodleRebel
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To: narses
It would be pejorative had I not chosen to qualify my use of the word. I am a 46 year old Roman Catholic in Springfield Missouri. Now get the chip off of your shoulder and thanks for playin’.
57 posted on 08/18/2007 7:31:40 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Ron Paul: the candidate of cowardice and appeasement.)
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To: sionnsar
I have a 64-bit Vista portable with a T7700 (fastest dual-core for any portable). I swapped out the original hard drive with the fastest drive currently available, the 200 GB Hitachi Travelstar 7200 RPM (7K200). The computer has the just released Santa Rosa chipset and a top nVidia dedicated graphics card (Intel’s built-in graphics are a poor second to this). The system is the new Dell Precision M4300.

And guess what? The system runs slower than my XP Dell C840 from five years ago with an original Pentium 4 1.8 Ghz processor (however, I had put in the Hitachi’s ATA-5 100 GB brother last year that gave the system a complete rebirth).

Vista crashes more often, too. Well, specifically, it’s the Internet Explorer 7 that is crashing, up to three times a day.

I have virtually no programs installed on this since I bought it. So I know there aren’t “conflicts” of any sort.

I turned off all energy saving features, hoping it would bring back the speed I expected to see. It didn’t.

Please stay away from Vista as long as possible. Upgrade to 64-bit XP if you have a system that supports it (basically all AMD systems do and virtually all Intel desktops have for the past six months to a year).

Vista makes things seem very slow. And this is Vista Ultimate 64-bit, the best of the best for Vista.

I now fixes will come, but I doubt they will make this system fly as it would with XP.

My two cents worth.

58 posted on 08/18/2007 7:32:45 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: sionnsar

Darth Gates will find his lack of faith disturbing.


59 posted on 08/18/2007 7:33:12 PM PDT by hawkboy (Duncan Hunter '08!)
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To: njmaugbill

It’s good you’ve gone to the Max. *\;-)


60 posted on 08/18/2007 7:33:12 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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