Posted on 12/01/2007 8:42:42 PM PST by devere
#1 Missouri is losing decisively.
#2 West Virginia has lost.
Now who deserves to play #3 Ohio State in the national championship game?
LSU? USC? Georgia? Oklahoma? There seems to be no obvious answer.
“That’s about the weakest excuse I could ever imagine to try to explain away Youngstown State, Kent State, and Akron in the same season. For a top program? I wonder if there has ever been anything like it.......outside of the SEC of course.”
I’m not an OSU fan and I personnally believe the best game would be LSU OU but I would like to offer this. I don’t know if this is the case with OSU but in Oklahoma, the state legislature gets involved in scheduling. For example, both OSO (Oklahoma State) and OU must play the University of Tulsa every other year, ie, Tulsa play OSU one year and OU the next. I belive this is a state law designed to bring respect (money) to the Tulsa program.
I’d like to see:
OSU vs USC (Rose)
LSU vs UGA (Sugar)
Ok vs KU (Fiesta)
VaT vs WVa (Orange)
Haw vs ND (BS)
That’s fine, schedule one of these in-state cupcakes every year and nobody would make too big of a deal out of it. But c’mon, a schedule like Ohio State’s this year, that’s really bad. And this is a perfect year for the voters to hammer them for it. As the pollsters stop for a minute and really analyze who should go to the championship game, I can’t believe they will include Ohio State. And if Ohio State goes, what could possibly be the arguments against Hawaii and Kansas, 12-0 and 11-1 respectively. They both played crappy schedules too.
“USC ducked Hawaii.....”
Hey pal, USC played Hawaii in a home and home series as recent as two years ago and kicked their asses all over the field both games, putting up scores in the 50’s and 60’s if I remember correctly. Even with the great Timmy Chang at QB. USC ducks nobody, and by the way, you just barely beat the LAST PLACE Pac-10 school on your own field with Washington on your 4-yard line as time expired. The physical toll your program would take by playing a legitimate schedule would so deplete your personnel you would have nothing left this late in the season. Washington was the best talent you played against all year, and they finished LAST in the Pac-10.
No, I’m not. The thing is, people are deriding OSU because of those three games. I wanna round up all these “weak schedule” whiners, suit them up and let them play Wisconsin, Penn State or Michigan and then tell me how weak OSU’s schedule was. If they can still form words, that is.
As a bit of background, I consider won/loss but it isn’t necessarily my most important consideration. For example, sure Kansas is 11-1. So what? They lost to Mo and Mo lost twice to Oklahoma. I just can’t see ranking them ahead of Oklahoma.
I believe that the championship game selection should be much more broadly based than who has the best record. Being undefeated is a ‘so what’ to me. I believe the selection should be based upon an assessment of which two teams appear to be the best two teams. Right now, I think LSU, USC, and OU are the ones that fit that criteria best. I would lean towards LSU/OU as probably the two best teams, regardless of won/loss, in the nation.
As you can guess, I don’t think much of the fact that Hawaii is undefeated. Theres probably a dozen teams that would be undefeated playing their schedule so it’s a ‘so what’ to me.
Yes, by all means, hammer OSU for that schedule. That’s one of the reasons the computer ratings are important. They tend to emphasize things like strength of schedule better than the people rankings.
Sure, both LSU and OU have two defeats. LSU both loses came in triple overtimes. Overtimes are not necessarily representative of the strenght of the teams since a single play can win or lose a game. OU has two defeats as well. The one to Colorado is the most troubling. The one to TT doesn’t carry that much weight with me. OU played the game without Bradford who might be arguably the best QB in the Nation. OU still almost won that. Since Bradford is back, the loss is not that important.
Tell us all about how ‘tough’ Michigan, Penn State and Wisconsin are. Gimme a break. Michigan didn’t even belong on the field against Oregon earlier this year, that was a complete mismatch, but Michigan damn near ran the table in the Big 10. Michigan was great against USC last year in the Rose Bowl too. They looked easily as overmatched against USC as Ohio State was against Florida. Are you kidding me?
Perfect for the raptor29, imo. LMAO
Any substance to your posts on this subject?
I think the BCS should just get it over and award the national championship to the Ohio State Buckeyes. You asked? You got it.
It will be LSU-Ohio State National Championship game.
If it wasn't for the two losses USC would have made a great BCS Championship team.
When one team has no losses and another team 2 it is unfair to penalize the players of the undefeated team for what was beyond their control.
This is why they play the games though. Hawaii should have had the chance to play Ohio State in the BCS Championship Game to show whether or not they can beat them. Eliminating them because of off the field talk doesn't make sense.
Earth to college football- a NCAA Tournament format is needed to get the sport out of the stoneage.
Virtually every other college sport more fairly determines a champion.
Tennessee lost to Cal who lost to Stanford and Tennessee beat Vanderbilt by only 1 point. Stanford who beat Cal who themselves beat Tennessee better than LSU did lost to Notre Dame. Notre Dame lost to Navy. Navy lost to Delaware. So clearly Delaware belongs in the BCS Championship Game.
“Hawaii won with their backup QB playing games, they don’t use a Bradford got hurt excuse for Brennan. They never lost. They beat Boise State who beat Oklahoma in a bowl game last year.”
Last season is last season.
“An undefeated team deserves to play in the BCS Championship Game.”
Not necessarily so. But it is interesting that you would mention this. Did you watch the BCS show yesterday? Part of the discussion was the difference between ‘deserves’ and the ‘best team’ and how that would affect the selection.
In effect, if you believe the regular season won/loss is the most important then the two best won/loss records ‘deserve’ to be in the BCS championship game. Of course, if you accept this, then unless two teams have the same record, there is no need for a championship game. This year we would just aclaim Hiwaii the national champion.
The other method would be to figure out which two teams are the ‘best teams’. The consensus of the panel last night seemed to be that OU was the ‘best team’ in the nation.
Most people flip/flop between these two methods depending upon which is most favorable to their school.
If you use the ‘deserve’ method, then Hawaii’s ability to win with a backup is important. If you use the ‘best team’ then OU’s loss without Bradford is not nearly as important.
“Tennessee lost to Cal who lost to Stanford and Tennessee beat Vanderbilt by only 1 point. Stanford who beat Cal who themselves beat Tennessee better than LSU did lost to Notre Dame. Notre Dame lost to Navy. Navy lost to Delaware. So clearly Delaware belongs in the BCS Championship Game.”
With a little research, I’m sure you could elevate any team to the championship use this method.
“However, Hawaii wanted to play them this year and they wouldn’t go for it.”
Are you kidding me? Schedules are made several years in advance, first of all. This past season, USC wanted to get out of their game with Idaho, a game only granted to Idaho when a former USC assistant took the head coaching job there in 2004. They had no takers, and they ran through the SEC looking for one. USC routed Hawaii both times they played them a couple years back, and Hawaii had good seasons both years. Before you criticize USC, who plays anyone anywhere, why don’t you run through the list of teams that never venture out of their conference to play dangerous passing teams like Hawaii. Over the past four seasons, USC’s non-conference schedule has included Nebraska twice, Auburn twice, Arkansas twice, Notre Dame four times, Fresno State, Hawaii twice, Virginia Tech, and they have won EVERY GAME. But they ‘ducked’ Hawaii. What a joke of a statement.
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