Posted on 06/14/2008 8:25:27 PM PDT by Yomin Postelnik
Nothing wrong with knowing stuff, but you don't have to talk down to someone because they don't know the half life of Uranium 235 or what its decay product is.
If I were in your shoes, I’d smite them Old Testament style.
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Won't help. Dawkins has the Machine.
Same with another creationism forum, the evc (evolution vs creationism) forum etc. They stay on there 24/7 and malign everyone with a different viewpoint and pretty soon they're the only ones left.
Yet they'll never discuss the substance of the column. What's especially funny in my case is that even though I'm a strong young earth creationist I didn't get into the evolution debate at all in the column. I specifically said that everything in it applies even if you believe in evolution, some of it more so. The trillions of simultaneous happenings that are needed to sustain life and the way that the universe works in cohesiveness, without which there would be no life, should give people on both sides of the creationism vs evolutionism debate the ability to recognize that there's a conscious Creator running the show. That was clear to anyone who actually read the column and who doesn't have an infantile, one track mind in which everything is about evolution even columns that are very specific about the fact that they're not dealing with the subject.
I have dealt with the fallacies of evolution, which are many, here http://creationistsearcher.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/yomin-postelnik-debates-with-atheists/ but, again, they're irrelevant to the column.
The way they stalk the forums and malign, the way I've got PhillyChief researching everywhere I post or wherever someone posts about this and going there and writing his trash is just one very small example of how obsessed these goons are. The others talk about and link to them daily and they're everywhere, many multiple times a day. I've stopped reading them except for late at night but it's just amazing the level of hatred and vengeance these goons have.
They are blinded by hate and only the Holy Spirit can save them, but they have hardened their hearts to him.
They do need prayers. It’s a shame they won’t read anything with an open mind though. I never fail to be amazed by them. They claim logic as their own when in reality they hold it in the highest disdain.
Calling people goons hardly seems like a rational, evidence based form or argument.
I have read Mr. Potelnik’s work. However, in
response, I will use a more authoritative source.
“WHERE were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding, who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it? On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
OR WHO enclosed the sea with doors when, bursting forth, it went out from the womb; when I made a cloud its garment and thick darkness its swaddling band, and I placed boundaries on it and set a bolt and doors, and I said, ‘Thus far you shall come, but no farther; and here shall your proud waves stop’?
HAVE YOU EVER in your life commanded the morning, and caused the dawn to know its place, that it might take hold of the ends of the earth, and the wicked be shaken out of it? It is changed like clay under the seal; and they stand forth like a garment. From the wicked their light is withheld, and the uplifted arm is broken.
HAVE YOU ENTERED into the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of death been revealed to you, or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?
HAVE YOU UNDERSTOOD the expanse of the earth? Tell Me, if you know all this. Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place, that you may take it to its territory and that you may discern the paths to its home? You know, for you were born then, and the number of your days is great!
HAVE YOU ENTERED the storehouses of the snow, or have you seen the storehouses of the hail, which I have reserved for the time of distress, for the day of war and battle?
WHERE is the way that the light is divided, or the east wind scattered on the earth?
WHO has cleft a channel for the flood, or a way for the thunderbolt, to bring rain on a land without people, on a desert without a man in it, to satisfy the waste and desolate land and to make the seeds of grass to sprout?
HAS THE RAIN A FATHER? Or who has begotten the drops of dew? From whose womb has come the ice? And the frost of heaven, who has given it birth? Water becomes hard like stone, And the surface of the deep is imprisoned.
CAN YOU BIND the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion?
CAN YOU LEAD forth a constellation in its season, And guide the Bear with her satellites?
DO YOU KNOW the ordinances of the heavens, or fix their rule over the earth?
CAN YOU LIFT up your voice to the clouds, So that an abundance of water will cover you?
CAN YOU SEND forth lightnings that they may go and say to you, ‘Here we are’?
WHO HAS PUT WISDOM in the innermost being Or given understanding to the mind?
WHO CAN COUNT the clouds by wisdom, Or tip the water jars of the heavens, when the dust hardens into a mass And the clods stick together?
CAN YOU HUNT the prey for the lion, Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, when they crouch in their dens and lie in wait in their lair?
WHO PREPARES for the raven its nourishment when its young cry to God and wander about without food?
JOB 38:4-41
Many are my persecutors and my adversaries, yet I
do not turn aside from Your testimonies. I behold
the treacherous and loathe them, because they do not
keep Your word. Consider how I love Your precepts;
Revive me, O LORD, according to Your lovingkindness.
The sum of Your Word is truth, and every one of Your
righteous ordinances is everlasting. Princes persecute
me without cause, but my heart stands in awe of Your
Words. I rejoice at Your Word, as one who finds great
spoil. I hate and despise falsehood, but I love Your law.
PSALM 119:157-163
I love that part of Job because it really can put you in your place and humble even the most arrogant person.
[... I love that part of Job because it really can put you
in your place and humble even the most arrogant person...]
Let us hope that those who have ears will hear and obey.
Someone needs to instruct Mr. Postelnik on how free speech works, and of course how America works.
I don't know where Mr. Postelnik lives but this was published in the Canadian Free Press so an understanding of free speech as Americans know it might be expecting too much. It could be that he's expecting some tribunal to shut down his critics.
His IP (74.233.115.1xx) is from Pompano Beach, FL. source
No idea if Mr. Postelnik is a citizen.
The creative principle of the universe is called Brahma in Sanskrit. Brahma, who is depicted as emerging from the navel lotus of Narayana, is a metaphor for all of creation: its laws, its inherent intelligence, and its consciously manifested potencies which operate as sages, saints, rishis, devas, celestials, and divine beings of all kinds of nature, temperament and description. Narayana is the Sanskrit name given in the Upanishads to that which is the sum and substance of all the manifested and unmanifested realms. Narayana is that which is neither created nor destroyed but transcends the creation, life and destruction of the universe. Brahma creates, operates in the form of this universe for trillions of years, then dissolves back into Narayana. Narayana, however, is neither created nor destroyed. Later, another Brahma appears to begin the process again.
Since the term "Brahma" does not appear in the Vedas, its creation stems from the Sanskrit work "Brih" which means "'to grow" or "to expand." In this way, it became synonymous with Hiranyagharba: The Golden Egg of Creation. Growing from the Navel Lotus of Narayana, Brahma is the name for the principle which creates all of the manifest realms. Since the Vedas proclaim in the Purusha Suktam that "three quarters of this universe are in indestructible realms above," then clearly Brahma, with his finite duration, is connected to the realms of the universe which we inhabit which are subject to creation and dissolution.
Brahma was endowed with his "spouse" (Saraswati) and consciousness at the time of creation. Brahma made certain "beings" solely by the power of his mind and thought. These beings are called the mind-born sons of Brahma. The state of their consciousness is summarized by the title Brahma Rishi: Seer with the Understanding of Brahma. Brahma Rishis, in turn, can confer this state of consciousness upon others who prove themselves capable and worthy. For an example of the conferring of the state of Brahma Rishi upon one being by another, see the Story of Vishwamitra in the Chapter on the Gayatri Mantra.
To further understand the concept of Brahma and his relation to the universe as we know it, it is helpful to view the cosmos through the lens of the Vedic descriptions of the life of the universe as interpreted in human years. Here are cycles of time as recorded in the Vedas and Upanishads.
My old story is older than your old story, so mine must be right!
[... My old story is older (snip) so mine must be right!...]
You are absolutely correct.
Yours IS a Story. Mine is HISTORY (His Story).
Since the original post was about science. Can you give me a scientific reason to believe your creation account over the Hindu one?
Doesn’t it, in fact, come down to faith?
Perhaps to some believing that the Bible is true is ONLY a matter of faith.
But then why...
1. Do Biblical Archeologists rely on the Bible as a locater for ancient sites?
2. Did Armand Hammer discover oil in the middle east right where the Bible said it would be.
3. The streams in the oceans were written about way before ancient mariners discovered the ocean currents.
4. The geneologies can be traced to real people.
5. The ancient cities that Paul traveled to in the New Testament were said to not exist. ALL have been unearthed.
Just a few reasons off the top of my head.
Archaeology is supported in Hindu literature too.
I won’t go into the fact that some Biblical geneologies contradict each other.
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