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To: wendy1946
if we could not be descended from the neanderthal, there is nothing else on the planet which we could be descended from.

Pure and utter nonsense.

Modern man's earliest known close ancestor was significantly more apelike than previously believed, a New York University College of Dentistry professor has found.

A computer-generated reconstruction by Dr. Timothy Bromage, a paleoanthropologist and Adjunct Professor of Biomaterials and of Basic Science and Craniofacial Biology, shows a 1.9 million-year-old skull belonging to Homo rudolfensis, the earliest member of the human genus, with a surprisingly small brain and distinctly protruding jaw, features commonly associated with more apelike members of the hominid family living as much as three million years ago. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070324133018.htm

Moreover this lack of true intermediate species is the general and unbroken rule on this planet.

All extinct species are intermediate species

Basically, nobody with anything resembling brains or talent is defending evolution at this juncture; it is being defended by dead wood and second and third raters.

Thousands of PhDs are wrong and Wendy1946 is right. Your ignorance of the topic is profound.

12 posted on 08/10/2008 6:47:55 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Soliton
All extinct species are intermediate species

I know what you're trying to say, but your statement is wrong. Most extinct species died out without leaving descendants. Several major extinction events killed off roughly 90% of all species living at the time, and the earth was repopulated by the minority which survived. Most of the extinct hominids you talk about all the time left no descendants; only Homo sapiens survived.

14 posted on 08/10/2008 8:07:16 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Soliton
>All extinct species are intermediate species

Every competent and honest scientist who has ever examined the situation is on record to the effect that there ARE NO intermediate species, e.g.

"I just cannot believe that everything developed by random mutations.........".
(Dr Dennis Gabor, winner of 1971 Noble peace prize in Science).

"Nine-tenths of the talk on Evolution is sheer nonsense, not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by facts. This museum is full of proofs of the utter falsity of their views. In all this great museum, there is not a particle of evidence of the transmutation of species".
(Dr Etheridge, world famous paleontologist of the British museum).

"To postulate that the development and survival of the fittest is entirely a consequence of chance mutations seems to me a hypothesis based on no evidence and irreconcilable with the facts. These classical evolutionary theories are a gross over-simplification of an immensely complex and intricate mass of facts, and it amazes me that they are swallowed so uncritically and so readily, by so many scientist without a murmur of protest".
(Sir Ernest Chain, co-holder of 1945 Nobel prize for developing penicillin).

"May not a future generation well ask how any Scientist, in full possesion of his faculties and with adequate knowledge of information theory, could execute the feat of cognitive acrobatics necessary to sincerely believe that a (supremely complex) machine of information, storage and retrieval servicing millions of cells, diagnosing defects and then repairing them in a teleonomic Von Newman machine manner, arose in randomness - the antipole of information".
(Dr A. E. Wilder-Smith, deliverer of the Huxley Memorial lecture at the Oxford Union, Oxford University, 1986).

The Fossils In General

"Despite the bright promise that paleontology provides a means of 'seeing'
evolution, it has presented some nasty difficulties for evolutionists, the
most notorious of which is the presence of 'gaps' in the fossil record.
Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does
not provide them ..."

    David B.  Kitts, PhD (Zoology)
    Head Curator, Dept of Geology, Stoval Museum
    Evolution, vol 28, Sep 1974, p 467

"The curious thing is that there is a consistency about the fossil gaps;
the fossils are missing in all the important places."

    Francis Hitching
    The Neck of the Giraffe or  Where Darwin Went Wrong
    Penguin Books, 1982, p.19

"The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major
transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our
imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been
a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution."

    Stephen Jay Gould,  Prof of Geology and
    Paleontology, Harvard University
    "Is a new general theory of evolution emerging?"
    Paleobiology, vol 6, January 1980, p. 127

"...Yet Gould and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when
they say there are no transitional fossils ... I will lay it on the line,
there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight
argument."

    Dr.  Colin Patterson,  Senior Paleontologist,
    British Museum of Natural History, London
    As quoted by:  L. D. Sunderland
    Darwin's Enigma:  Fossils and Other Problems
    4th edition, Master Books, 1988, p. 89

"We do not have any available fossil group which can categorically be
claimed to be the ancestor of any other group. We do not have in the fossil
record any specific point of divergence of one life form for another, and
generally each of the major life groups has retained its fundamental
structural and physiological characteristics throughout its life history
and has been conservative in habitat."

    G. S. Carter, Professor & author
    Fellow of Corpus Christi College
    Cambridge, England
    Structure and Habit in Vertebrate Evolution
    University of Washington Press, 1967

"The history of most fossil species includes two features inconsistent with
gradualism: 1. Stasis. Most species exhibit no directional change during
their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the
same as when they disappear ... 2. Sudden Appearance. In any local area, a
species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its
ancestors; it appears all at once and 'fully formed'."

    Stephen Jay Gould, Prof of Geology and
     Paleontology, Harvard University
    Natural History, 86(5):13, 1977

"But, as by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed,
why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the
earth?" (p. 206)

"Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such
intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely
graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps is the most obvious and gravest
objection which can be urged against my theory (of evolution)." (p. 292)

    Charles Robert Darwin
    The Origin of Species, 1st edition reprint
    Avenel Books, 1979

The Abundance of Fossils

"Darwin... was embarrassed by the fossil record... we are now about
120-years after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been
greatly expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the
situation hasn't changed much. The record of evolution is still
surprisingly jerky and, ironically, ... some of the classic cases of
Darwinian change in the fossil record, such as the evolution of the horse
in North America, have had to be discarded or modified as a result of more
detailed information."

    David M. Raup, Curator of Geology
    Field Museum of Natural History, Chicago
    "Conflicts Between Darwin and Paleontology"
    Field Museum of Natural History
    Vol. 50, No. 1, (Jan, 1979), p. 25

"Now, after over 120 years of the most extensive and painstaking geological
exploration of every continent and ocean bottom, the picture is infinitely
more vivid and complete than it was in 1859. Formations have been
discovered containing hundreds of billions of fossils and our museums are
filled with over 100-million fossils of 250,000 different species. The
availability of this profusion of hard scientific data should permit
objective investigators to determine if Darwin was on the right track. What
is the picture which the fossils have given us? ... The gaps between major
groups of organisms have been growing even wide and more undeniable. They
can no longer be ignored or rationalized away with appeals to imperfection
of the fossil record."

    Luther D. Sunderland (Creationist)
    Darwin's Enigma:  Fossils and Other Problems,
    4th edition, Master Books, 1988, p. 9

"My attempts to demonstrate evolution by an experiment carried on for more
than 40 years have completely failed. ... The fossil material is now so
complete that it has been possible to construct new classes, and the lack
of transitional series cannot be explained as being due to the scarcity of
material. The deficiencies are real, they will never be filled."

    Prof  N. Heribert Nilsson
    Lund University, Sweden
    Famous botanist and evolutionist
    As quoted in:  The Earth Before Man, p. 51

Evidence for Creation ?

"A circular argument arises: Interpret the fossil record in terms of a
particular theory of evolution, inspect the interpretation, and note that
it confirms the theory. Well, it would, wouldn't it?"

    Dr.. Tom Kemp,  Curator
    University Museum of Oxford University
    " A Fresh Look at the Fossil Record"
    New Scientist,  Dec 5, 1985, p. 66

"Much evidence can be advanced in favour of the theory of evolution -- from
biology, biogeography and paleontology, but I still think that to the
unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in favor of special creation.
... Can you imagine how an orchid, a duckweed, and a palm have come from
the same ancestry, and have we any evidence for this assumption? The
evolutionist must be prepared with an answer, but I think that most would
break down before an inquisition."

    E.J.H.  Corner, Prof of Botany,
    Cambridge University, England
    Evolution in Contemporary Botanical Thought,
    Quadrangle Books, 1971, p. 97

"At the present stage of geological research, we have to admit that there
is nothing in the geological records that runs contrary to the view of
conservative creationists, that God created each species separately,
presumably from the dust of the earth."

    Dr. Edmund J. Ambrose
    Emeritus Prof of Cell Biology, University of London
    The Nature and Origin of the Biological World
    John Wiley & Sons, 1982, p. 164


41 posted on 08/10/2008 9:33:55 AM PDT by wendy1946
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