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Biden: Draft dodger?
8/24/08 | self

Posted on 08/24/2008 1:29:47 PM PDT by jokyfo

Anyone know how Biden got out of the draft during the Vietnam War?


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To: GOPyouth
No, you are wrong. The term “draft dodger” is universally taken to mean someone who unethically refused his service obligation.

Did your dad do that? If he didn't then what are you worried about?

21 posted on 08/24/2008 2:08:45 PM PDT by jokyfo ("OBAMA" is Arabic for "CIPHER" and Farsi for "VACUUM")
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To: GOPyouth
The title of this vanity thread makes no sense. He didn’t go to Vietnam, so yes, he dodged the draft. Now, the author of this vanity thread may not have known that he dodged the draft, but his question within the body of the thread proves that he/she did know that Biden dodged the draft. So, the threat is moot.

OK, his post wasn't all that clear to you. I saw it as wondering if there was any ammo to use against Biden, just as the Dems and the media (redundant, I know) went after Bush over VietNam.
It sure didn't have anything to do with your dad, or anyone else who was of age and didn't go to Nam.

Now most people (at least here on FR!) would not assume that just because someone didn't go to Nam, or even serve, dodged the draft. I sure don't. Is that what you got from the post?
I still think the post was asking if there was anything worth looking into to use against the BO/Biden ticket.

22 posted on 08/24/2008 2:10:59 PM PDT by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, he-he, ho-ho!)
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To: GOPyouth
He did dodge the draft. The definition of dodge is to avoid. That does not mean he avoided with deceitfulness. He did not have to go, therefore by definition he dodged the draft.

No.
If he didn't have to go, there was nothing for him to dodge. My uncle was draft age, too. His draft lottery number never came up, so he didn't go. He didn't "dodge" anything, so I suspect, neither did your dad!

23 posted on 08/24/2008 2:15:44 PM PDT by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, he-he, ho-ho!)
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To: BobbyT
Well he’s been a politician for the last hundred years so maybe that was his excuse.

Term limits! No one should be in Congress as long as some of these lazy *sses (on both sides of the aisle). Shouldn't they GO HOME and actually get a REAL JOB?!

That's not including the thousands of family members who are lobbyists and entrenched in Washington for life. They act as if it's a family business to be passed on to the next member of the family.

24 posted on 08/24/2008 2:17:41 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: GOPyouth
My dad did not have to go to Vietnam, but nobody ever questioned whether he was deceitful.

Was your dad nominted to be VP of the United States?

25 posted on 08/24/2008 2:19:25 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (A kid at McDonalds has more real-world work experience than Barack Hussein.)
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To: txroadkill

I was born i 40. Not too old.


26 posted on 08/24/2008 2:19:27 PM PDT by threeoeight
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To: jokyfo

I would love to see a campaign where only political policy is debated, no some bodys historical draft status, or their birth certificate, or their age, or their marital status defines their qualifications.

I loved the Saddleback Mountain format of debater, where each person was questioned identically. It really showed weaknesses and strengths, in the POLITICAL arena (and, by the way, a mistake the Obama camp will not make again).

Bottom line, the premise of this thread, trying to dig up dirt, makes me mad....

.....Bob


27 posted on 08/24/2008 2:25:50 PM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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To: jokyfo
Hey joky! I dodged the draft...albeit before Nam got hot...and I did NOT refuse my military obligation. I joined the USNR. I did this to avoid being drafted into the Army.

I'm guessin' all this was a bit before your time though, so your ignorance of the true nature of the times is understandable.

28 posted on 08/24/2008 2:27:39 PM PDT by Roccus (People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient....then repent.)
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To: jokyfo
No military service between the two of them (Obama bin Biden). I think I read it's the first time in about 68 years this has happened.

Not that this is necessarily un-American or fatal to a campaign, but it does give great cachet to Sen. McCain, a military guy, a POW, tortured and wounded, a veteran with parts of the body that still don't work.

As candidates, the Dims have two wealthy, so-called elites who want to play at being commanders-in-chief of our precious troops.....similar to one of the mad Russian tsars of yesteryear who played with elaborate toy tin soldiers every day even as an adult.....moving them around in complicated battle positions on the floor to make himself feel powerful.

Leni

29 posted on 08/24/2008 2:27:44 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Stay Home in Nov & Vote for Obama-ization, More Regulation, Taxation, Litigation and Ginsburgization)
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To: kcvl

Agreed...I think there should be a two term limit for any given person at the local, state, and national level (regardless of lateral moves, like senate—>rep—>governor, and regardless of whether they’re consecutive or not).

Even then, that would allow a max of 24 years of elected office which seems like way too much, but at least it would limit political “dynasties” to 8 years screwing up your state, and 8 more screwing up the country.


30 posted on 08/24/2008 2:28:18 PM PDT by BobbyT
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To: GOPyouth

I dodged the draft: I enlisted (the Feds are sooooo easy to outsmart). My draft number was 307.

Cheers!


31 posted on 08/24/2008 2:32:56 PM PDT by admiral52 (Vanity license plate: IMGPNG)
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To: GOPyouth
Youth — get a life.

Vietnam was not one of those evolutions most folks stood in line to participate in.

I did my time there — in spades; but, within weeks, on my first tour, it became very clear to me that we were involved in a very protracted, essentially no-win element of the cold-war — with very definitive parameters for the conflict. The cards had to be played out within those constraints, right to the tragic conclusion, in 1975, over two decades following the French collapse at Din Bin Phu. game. The superpower nuclear game precluded anything more (or less). In my view, our SEA die was cast in the spring of 1954, with the end of the French disgraceful role in Indo-China.

The fact that a citizen of our Republic did NOT play in that sandbox says nothing to me about his (or her) love of country. Some of my best friends inside as well as outside the Naval Service abhorred the conflict.

I might suggest you read a little history before you play the Viet Nam card. *S*

Kind regards.

32 posted on 08/24/2008 2:33:37 PM PDT by dk/coro
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To: Roccus

No, you are wrong, you did not “dodge” anything. You acted honorably.


33 posted on 08/24/2008 2:33:49 PM PDT by jokyfo ("OBAMA" is Arabic for "CIPHER" and Farsi for "VACUUM")
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To: jokyfo

Failed physical didn’t he?.....

His son Beau is slated for deployment to Iraq this fall with a Nat’l Guard unit I believe.


34 posted on 08/24/2008 2:36:19 PM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spook y Music---)
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To: BobbyT

Biden - since 1972

“Who knew that the agent of change has been hiding in the US Senate for 36 yrs.?”


35 posted on 08/24/2008 2:36:37 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: jokyfo

You don’t know what you’re talking about!

Have a nice day.


36 posted on 08/24/2008 2:38:29 PM PDT by Roccus (People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient....then repent.)
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To: Roccus

No, YOU do not know what YOU are talking about. Have a shitty day.


37 posted on 08/24/2008 2:45:17 PM PDT by jokyfo ("OBAMA" is Arabic for "CIPHER" and Farsi for "VACUUM")
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To: jokyfo
Maybe you are young and don't understand how the draft system worked. If you got a low number (based on your birth-date), you were called to service unless you also had a deferment. If you had a high enough number, then you weren't called at all. I don't know where Biden birth-date stood in the draft.
38 posted on 08/24/2008 2:50:31 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Kirkwood

I never got drafted during the Vietnam war since I enlisted.


39 posted on 08/24/2008 2:55:52 PM PDT by jokyfo ("OBAMA" is Arabic for "CIPHER" and Farsi for "VACUUM")
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To: jokyfo

Then you should know how the system worked, so why did you imply that Biden was a draft dodger?


40 posted on 08/24/2008 3:02:18 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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