Posted on 01/02/2009 1:16:10 PM PST by patriot08
Ed Hale of Plains Radio has secured a copy of the Dunham/Obama divorce decree as promised. He has registered this at the courthouse and has turned the document over to lawyers who are reported to be happy and enthused over the contents.
This is the first page. This is all that can be divulged at this time as those who have seen the decree are sworn to silence. You may hear information about it tonight on Ed's plainsradio show.
Got links? ... Would like to listen to that interview fer shur.
Meant to put your name in the “To” position ...
I’m very lazy - haven’t figured out how to listen properly and have to be popping on and off computer - if you or anyone wants to post any highlights I’d appreciate it but understand if you don’t want to!
Thanks! I’ll see if I can hear it.
Only one problem with the Obamas living in that cottage, Obama Sr was already living in “a small, single story home at 625 11th Ave.” Before that he had lived at the Atherton Y.M.C.A. The Y.M.C.A. was across from UH at Manoa while the home I mentioned above was less than 1/2 mile from the University. The home in the birth announcement was more than 7 miles from the University.
Slavery.
In Hawaii when I lived there, and even today, seven miles is a long distance. I know, a really different perspective. But to go to the university from that location would be quite a distance, unless they had a car, and it just doesn’t make sense unless they did have a car. The only thing I can think of (and I’m not a researcher, just trying to tag along) would be if they stayed there for a few weeks or something, not really “living” there.
But the fact that the contemporaneous neighbor says she never saw them living next door is pretty good evidence.
As you will see I need to go to Freeper boot camp on posting procedures. Phillip Berg came on at about 1209am Est and was on for about 11 minutes. I will put the gist of what transpired on another thread and will include you.
1. How do you know this? Simply stating it doesn't make it so.
2. If it was so obvious, why did congress feel the need to define in in 1790?
I should know better than to answer things on the basis of memory but, as I recall, the 1790 law was an effort to distinguish between the English, common law understanding and what natural born should mean in a republic, as distinguished from a monarchy. The debate in Congress leading up to the 14th Amendment clearly showed that the prevailing understanding among the reps. was that a non-citizen father precluded the child from being a natural-born U.S. citizen.
“Law of Nations” was the accepted authority on such matters in 1787. The founders made use of it, as they did Blackstone.
If the Berg interview on radio is interesting, could you post something about it.....
Only to pleased to deliver any information that will assure Freepers, that the issue is not going to go away easily.
Phillip J Berg was welcomed in friendly fashion by Bill Cunningham around nine minutes after midnight Est. Bill cleared himself of any belief that Mr Berg could affect the anointing of the President-elect. Then he let Mr Berg have at it.
I have roughly the definition for a writ of certiorari first. Though only a rough outline it is, of course an appeal of a rejection by a court. Another court can insist on all documentation being forwarded and another consideration being made. Justice Soutar rejected one application. Justice Kennedy again rejected another application. It is to go to Justice Scalia ( or has and I am remiss on this).
Mr Berg flatly stated Barack Obama II was born in Kenya (then British East Africa). He quoted the grandmother and also publications in Kenya recently that declared the triumph of their native son,being President-elect. He mentioned other information as to the actual hospital birth records in Honolulu. He said that the statements by authorities in charge of records are deliberately vague.
The subject of absolute blackmail was brought up and I might add, is of course speculation. Mr Berg said that the old guard of the Democrat Party could have put the pressure on Barack. Mr Berg mentioned "Change". He chuckled at the word and how much change the new appointees(Clinton old guards) represented. He named their failings and there they were ready to go again in office,some change!
I hope I have been fair and accurate here. Bill Cunningham did say kindly that he thought Mr Berg had no chance at all. Bill did raise the question that plagues most Freepers (me to). Please President- elect, if you can clear your birth and eligibility do so. Then we can all move on and give you support where you deserve it.
I was also alerted today about a Freeper whose parents were non-citizens and was told by the INS that she could never be president!
Here is a source for you which talks about the founders and the Vattel book: http://east_west_dialogue.tripod.com/vattel/id4.html
The fifth paragraph is a concise summary of Vattel’s influence on the 1787 convention.
“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN.” Vattel, Citizens and Nations,” par. 212
It was further defined (significantly) in 1795. I’ll have to search out the historical moment, but from memory it’s something like- off shore births were given citizen status, as opposed to the natural born citizen status. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Here it is...
SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within the United States, and being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of such naturalization, and the children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States. Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend on persons whose fathers have never been resident of the United States. No person heretofore proscribed by any state, or who has been legally convicted of having joined the army of Great Britain during the late war, shall be admitted as foresaid, without the consent of the legislature of the state in which such person was proscribed.
Here’s the source link:
http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/naturalization/naturalization_text.html
Right...citizens, not natural born. If we readily understand these concepts, why can’t some other folks around here? I don’t think it’s really all that complicated.
Obama Sr remained in the “small, single story home at 625 11th Ave.” until he left HI June 22,1962 after graduation. Also remember that Ann was back in WA state before the end of August 1961 and remained there until early 1963. When “The Honolulu Advertiser” published the houses story they printed that the home was the first home for the Dunhams when they moved to HI and even that was wrong! The next door neighbor has stated that neither the Obamas nor the Dunhams ever lived there, we have a Freeper who lived down the street from the Dunhams in 1960-61 when they lived at the home at 2277 Kamehameha Ave., we have Jr’s own words testifying that his grandparents’ first home in HI was on Kamehameha Ave., and the paper had previously identified the home on Kamehameha Ave as the first home they lived in on the island. When they started the housing story they simply “ran” with the address on the birth announcement and TOLD the present owner her address was Jr’s first home after his birth. Her response to them was “I didn’t know.” The paper failed to properly investigate and went with an assumption which is illustrated in how the story reads, full of speculation and innuendo!
We also have Jr’s own words about the short walking tours “...past the private landmarks of a family...” they took while his father was visiting in 1971. Obama Sr was recuperating from a car accident in which he had injured his leg. As a result he was using a cane. It would have been impossible to walk a 14 mile return trip taking this fact into consideration! However, a short trip from the apartment building at S.Beretania St was certainly possible.
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