However it is true that apparent position can be different then actual position, and apparent motion can be different then actual motion, but to say that they are always different is most absurd. Ahh, my work is done. You now agree that apparent position and actual position aren't the same thing. I never said that they were always different, sometimes they appear to be the same : )
Nice picture of Venus. My wife loves looking at the rings and moons of the planets.
Said LeGrande:
Ahh, my work is done.
You keep saying that but you still haven't answered my color coded questions, and you haven't explained why not. How can your work be done when you're avoiding the issue?
You now agree that apparent position and actual position aren't the same thing.
The truth is that for
months I have been arguing that the sun appears to be about 20 arc seconds displaced from its actual position, mostly due to the earth's transverse velocity of about 67K miles an hour as it flies through space on its yearly journey around the sun.
It is a lie for you to imply that I am just now for the first time agreeing that the sun isn't exactly where it appears!* Look at what you said to me: "You
now agree that..." - but I have not only long agreed but have long argued that the sun is not exactly where it appears to be! (And I have argued for an apparent ~20 arc second displacement of the sun for an observer on the earth ever
since you so kindly told me about Aberration! Thanks a million for that, by the way!)
It is clear to me that you are trying to shift the attention off of your refusal to answer my color coded questions or admit that you were wrong.
And you still have refused to answer this question: How can I logically come to any conclusion other then that you are lying and know it? Especially when you've called me a liar so many times and never produced one evidence? And when you've made so many clearly incorrect scientific claims?
(See a partial list
here.)
And especially considering that you continue to refuse to answer some simple color coded
questions?
(And one of them (the Yellow question) is even one you asked me! You refuse to answer even your own question!)
And especially since you haven't provided a single scientific resource supporting your claimed 2.1 degrees of apparent displacement?
How can I logically come to any other conclusion? Can you see a way? If you had been in my shoes, do you think you would have come to a different conclusion then I have? Is this whole thing just a matter of blind faith for you?
-Jesse
* Note: Before I knew about Stellar Aberration, when you first claimed that the sun appeared 2.1 degrees displaced from its actual position, I did say that the sun was exactly where it appeared - but you must remember that I was responding to your claim of 2.1 degrees - not 20 arc seconds. Now if you had only been claiming 20 arc seconds, you could have told me to go look up Aberration and I would have then agreed with you since I'm willing to follow the evidence. But you were always claiming 2.1 degrees which is enormously greater then 20 arcseconds, and you still have not provided any evidence or scientific document or research supporting your claimed 2.1 degrees. So please don't try to divert the subject about something besides your claimed 2.1 degrees. The way science is supposed to work is when you get new solid evidence you change your views. That's why I went from saying "The sun is exactly where it appears" to saying "The sun is about 20 arcseconds from where it appears." -- because the evidence shows 20 arc seconds, I changed my view accordingly. This is why I'm willing to answer the "What if" questions you have posed to me about the sun and the earth and light's behavior with objects in angular motion. But you, on the other hand, refuse to apply your beliefs to my color coded questions - why? because it would shatter your faith to know the truth? Isn't that the very thing that you'd complain about Christians doing?