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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

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To: WestCoastGal

You have been on my mind all day, I was beginning to worry about you.

Hope you are well, safe and happy.
granny

P.S. LOL, not my fault that you got so far behind.


1,261 posted on 02/14/2009 6:28:49 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: upcountry miss

Has he got a fancy sander?

The sawmill will serve you better, there will be less to sand.

Or smooth it as well as you can and pour that liquid resin over it and it will have a hard surface.


1,262 posted on 02/14/2009 6:30:42 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

Hubby got the job of chief cook and bottle washer in a similar way. He had a small heating and plumbing business and back in the late sixies when we had an oil shortage and it was difficult for small businesses to get enough heating oil for their customers, he had a chance to sell out at a good profit while I needed to stay at my career job to assure a decent pension- he became Mr mom and liked the job, so when I retired I became the outdoor person splitting, stacking wood, weeding the garden etc. while he did the cooking and cleaning. One day, one of his buddies came while I was running the wood splitter and asked where hubby was and when I told him that he was in the house preparing dinner, he gave me the strangest look. As long as the coffe is ready every morning when I get up, I’ll let him keep the job. LOL


1,263 posted on 02/14/2009 6:32:37 PM PST by upcountry miss
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Liquid resin?? Never used it, but it sounds like a wonderful idea. I could do it all by myself except getting those big rocks out of the riverbed. I think you have been a genius with your suggestions. Wish you could join me on my benches down by the river this summer


1,264 posted on 02/14/2009 6:51:26 PM PST by upcountry miss
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To: All; little jeremiah

http://www.ethnobiomed.com/content/4/1/4

Research
Archival data on wild food plants used in Poland in 1948

Interesting study of famine plants.


1,265 posted on 02/14/2009 7:03:20 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: upcountry miss; DelaWhere

Wish you could join me on my benches down by the river this summer<<<

So do I.

LOL, once you see the depth the resin gives, you will want them at the house too....LOL More rocks.

Tree slabs, coated with resin were a real rage about 30/40 years ago in Calif and sold for big prices.

The one that stuck in my mind, had turquoise stones/chips, in a big knot hole and then the hole filled with resin, it was a beautiful slab table and the resin pocket was a bit like looking into a stream or water pocket.

Down near Signal, on the other side of the Hualapai mountains, we found a running stream and a little copper ore chips, the stream must have been all of 2 foot wide at its widest and then we saw a waterfall, it was hot and I headed to the waterfall, going to get all wet........and Bill yelled:

“There is something behind the waterfall, come back”.

It is a good thing I was a fast mover, for there was a den of wild Boars living behind the waterfall.

Never did get wet or find the source of the copper ore.

We left.


1,266 posted on 02/14/2009 7:12:59 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/ARTICLE/WFC/XII/0191-A2.HTM

Medicinal Use of Forest Trees and Shrubs by Indigenous People of Northeastern North America

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.. They had great respect for natural resources... Their whole lives were intricately woven into a pattern of plant-animal-man relationships.

Dr. Frank G. Speck and Ralph Dexter, 1952
Anthropologists/Ethnobotanists

In the winter of 1535-1536, the three ships of French explorer Jacques Cartier, the father of New France, were frozen in the thick ice on the St. Lawrence river near Stadacona, now known as the city of Québec. His crew, surviving only on their remaining rations and wild game, were rapidly falling victim to scurvy, and twenty-five had died. On learning of their plight, the local Iroquois chief arranged to have branches of an evergreen tree called annedda brought to them, with instructions on how to administer it. A desperate Cartier complied, and within days, his crew had recovered (Biggar 1924). He recounted:

... had all the doctors of Louvain and Montpellier been there, with all the drugs of Alexandria, they could not have done so much in a year as did this tree in eight days...

The Voyages of Jacques Cartier, 1536

While there is no definitive proof, and debate continues to this day whether annedda was white pine (Pinus strobus), white cedar (Thuja occidentalis) or white spruce (Picea glauca) (Fenton 1941, Rousseau 1953, Moore 1978), etymological evidence points to eastern hemlock (Tsuga canadensis) as the life-saving tree species. The foliage of all the above conifers has antiscorbutic properties. Conifer leaves contain 3-5 times the ascorbic acid, or vitamin C, of orange juice (Hunter and Tuba 1943).

Over two centuries passed before the British medical community discovered the cause of scurvy was not foul air, as previously suspected, but lack of vitamin C (Vogel 1970). The forest-dwelling indigenous people of North America knew long before. Of course, they had no knowledge of vitamins, but they knew that the needles of coniferous trees cured the symptoms, because they had been experimenting with natural cures derived from the forest for 4,000 years (Tuck 1984).

... they have abundant means, with herbs and leaves or roots, to cure their ailments.

Nicolaes van Wassenaer, 1624

Through centuries of trial and error, North America’s indigenous people - as did those elsewhere around the world - had developed a pharmacopoeia that in most cases surpassed that of the “civilized” post-medieval medical practitioners of Europe of the time.

They are all by nature physicians, apothecaries and doctors by virtue of the knowledge and experience they have of certain herbs which they use successfully to cure ills that seem to us incurable...

Father Chrétien LeClercq, 1691
Récollet Missionary

Knowledge of the medicinal use of trees and shrubs - indeed all plants - was handed down from generation to generation as part of oral tradition. Nothing was written. After the upheaval of their civilization by the encroachment of Europeans, the decimation of their population by wars and foreign diseases, the disruption of their homelands and lifestyles, and what anthropologists refer to as “acculturation” into “white” society, much of this traditional knowledge was threatened, and some of it was unfortunately lost.

The medical establishment of North America ultimately recognized the value of indigenous drugs. When the first Pharmacopoeia of the United States, the official reference text of the pharmaceutical industry, was published in 1820, it included 170 indigenous plant cures (Vogel 1970). Likewise the Canadian Pharmaceutical Journal of 1868 listed as official medicines over twenty species of forest trees and shrubs prescribed by First Nations (Erichsen-Brown 1979).

In the late 19th century a generation of anthropologists known as ethnobotanists began to live with, observe, and interview elders and shamans (medicine people) in order to document their traditional use of medicinal plants. If not for the foresight of these social scientists, much more would have been lost.

The hemlock cure of Cartier’s crew is arguably the most widely-known example of native medicine, but there are literally thousands of others (Moerman 1998). They derived medicines from the leaves, buds, bark, roots, flowers, and cones of trees and shrubs, as well as the ground vegetation. They boiled, baked, steamed, steeped, smoked, dried, shredded, and powdered medicines from virtually every forest species which grew around them.

A second well-known example is aspirin, or acetylsalicylic acid, which until its synthesis in the 19th century, was derived from various willow (Salix) species. Of the over thirty species of Salix in Canada, the leaves, bark, and roots of almost all were prescribed by indigenous people to relieve pain or reduce fever, centuries before the Bayer Company of Germany patented the synthetic commercial product.

They were not subject to diseases, and knew nothing of fevers. If any accident happened to them... they did not need a physician. They had knowledge of herbs, of which they made use and straightaway grew well.

Nicolas Denys, 1672
Lieutenant-Governor of the Acadian Coast

From all early historical accounts, indigenous people - today called First Nations in Canada and Native Americans in the United States - were a very healthy people. Their most common ailments, aside from wounds, were rheumatism, bowel and urinary disorders, colds and other lung afflictions, childbirth complications, menstrual disorders, and irritated eyes (from smoke in confined areas). For each of these maladies they had one or more cures.

That is, until European immigrants introduced into their population smallpox, diphtheria, venereal disease, scarlet fever, typhoid, cholera, and measles. Because they had neither natural immunities nor traditional medicines to combat these new infectious diseases, thousands perished.
Discussion

It is not within the scope of this brief paper to describe all the forest-derived medicinal remedies of the indigenous people of North America. Only six examples - three shrub and three tree species - will be highlighted. These examples relate to the most common ailments suffered by indigenous people in pre-Cartier times, represent a geographic and ethnological cross section of the indigenous people who inhabited the primarily-forested region from the Great Lakes east to the Atlantic coast, and provide a representative sample of the forest trees and shrubs they utilized as medicinals.

The region was inhabited by two distinct linguistic and cultural groups: the Algonkians, who dwelt in the forest in winter and on the shore in summer - and the sedentary Iroquois, who practised subsistence agriculture. Between them there were some forty distinct tribes or Nations, but their exact pre-colonization populations will never be known (Geographic Board of Canada 1912). The following examples are derived from both these groups.

Shrubs

Canada yew (Taxus canadensis), commonly called ground hemlock, is a metre-high spreading evergreen shrub found in the shaded understorey of a variety of forest types, usually on moist fertile sites (Soper and Heimburger 1982). Teas steeped from the foliage were consumed by native women for a variety of ailments, from post-childbirth complications to irregular menstrual cycles. But by far yew’s most common use was to treat rheumatism: Abenaki in Maine, Algonquin in Québec, Ojibway in Minnesota and Ontario, and Menominee in Wisconsin all used it for this purpose, the needles steeped into a tea for internal consumption, or steamed in their sweat baths (Smith 1923, Gilmore 1933, Rousseau 1947, Black 1980).

The chemical structure of yew needles is extremely complex (Appendino 1995). Within the last decade, after thirty years of research and clinical testing, an extract from yew needles generically called paclitaxel, has been successfully employed in chemotherapy to treat ovarian, breast, and several other forms of cancer (Blouin 2002a). To date, scientists have been unable to commercially synthesize paclitaxel; the various species of yew worldwide remain the sole source of the drug.

A similar but unrelated shrub, ground juniper (Juniperus communis), grows on sterile rocky soils, often on abandoned pastures. Mi’kmaq, Maliseet, Cayuga, and Ojibway, as well as the Woodlands Cree of Saskatchewan, drank decoctions of juniper bark, roots, or needles to treat a variety of lung-related disorders, from colds to asthma to tuberculosis (Waugh 1916, Gilmore,1933, Mechling 1959, Leighton 1985).

When blended with cedar leaves in a tea, ground juniper has had recent anecdotal, but not yet scientifically proven, success in treating the symptoms of multiple sclerosis (Blouin 2002b).

A common pioneer deciduous shrub found predominantly bordering watercourses or invading poorly-drained abandoned farmland is the nitrogen-fixing speckled alder (Alnus rugosa), a visually unattractive but ecologically important species. The Mi’kmaq of the Maritime provinces scraped the thin astringent bark, boiled it, and applied it to wounds and bruises. In cases of severe fever, the patient’s body was wrapped in alder leaves, whereupon the fever subsided (Speck and Dexter 1951). The Woods Cree in the northwest bathed irritated or sore eyes with an alder bark decoction (Leighton 1985). The Seneca of New York boiled the bark into an emetic and laxative decoction they drank to cleanse and purge the body, especially in springtime (Herrick 1995).

Trees

Eastern hemlock (Tsuga canadensis) is a shade-tolerant conifer of moist fertile sites, with the potential to live four hundred years or more to form an old-growth forest. As well as the previously-noted use of its foliage by indigenous people as an antiscorbutic, an astringent tonic brewed from the red inner bark, which contains up to 12% tannin (Mockle 1955), and therefore has strong astringent properties, was consumed to control diarrhea by the Ojibway, Maliseet, Mi’kmaq, Cherokee, and Potawatomi (Gilmore 1919, Wallis 1922, Smith 1933). An infusion of the foliage was steeped by the Abenaki and Algonquin in Québec, and taken internally for rheumatism (Rousseau 1947, Black 1980). The Seneca of New York and the Delaware of Ontario steamed rheumatic limbs with the hemlock infusion (Waugh 1916, Tantaquidgeon 1972).

White cedar, or arborvitae (Thuja occidentalis), a conifer with scale-like foliage usually found on moist sites rich in calcium (Marie-Victorin 1935, Blouin 2001), was a prime source of medicine to native people. An infusion of the leaves or inner bark was consumed by Ojibway and Mi’kmaq people as cough medicine (Speck 1917, Densmore 1928, Smith 1932). It was also commonly steamed and the vapours inhaled in native sweat lodges to combat colds, headache, fever, and rheumatism (Smith 1923, Smith 1932, Rousseau 1945, Black 1980, Herrick 1995).

Today, cedar oil distilled from the foliage is a principal ingredient in many commercial and alternative medicines, in particular cold remedies. Its primary active ingredient is thujone.

Choke cherry (Prunus virginiana), a small deciduous tree of open areas such as roadsides, riparian zones, and fencerows, is the most widely distributed tree in North America. It was also the fifth most widely used drug plant on the continent; according to Moerman (1998), it had 132 medicinal uses. Indigenous people from coast to coast gathered the inner bark, boiled it, and drank the decoction to cure diarrhea (Holmes 1884, Speck 1917, Smith 1923, VanWart 1948, Herrick 1995). Choke cherry tea was also consumed for indigestion, a tonic during pregnancy, and a gargle for sore throat (Blouin 1993).
Conclusion

Until recently, investigation into the phytochemical constituents of North American forest species has been insufficient (Arnason et al 1981). Yet the limited research that has taken place has proven conclusively the pharmacological validity of many of the drugs prescribed by First Nations and Native Americans. The active ingredients (e.g., astringent tannins, antibacterial alkaloids, anti-inflammatory terpenes) in many of the native drugs correlate to the uses originally prescribed by native people (Chandler 1983).

For example, Canadian researchers have recently proved, through phytochemical analyses, that plants used as antibiotics by North American indigenous people do contain anti-microbial chemical compounds (Jones et al 2000). The precedent of Canada yew cited above as a proven anti-carcinogen should be sufficient incentive to investigate the health and healing potential of other trees and shrubs.

At the very least, we can not dismiss the traditional medicinal knowledge which indigenous people gleaned over millennia of experimentation and practice. At the most, it behooves the forestry community and the medical and pharmaceutical communities to cooperate to enhance research into the chemical composition of all forest species, in order to evaluate their potential as life-enhancing, or perhaps life-saving, drugs.


1,267 posted on 02/14/2009 7:29:55 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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http://www.fao.org/docrep/011/ai480e/ai480e00.htm

Link is several reports on the Food situation of the world, from the UN.


1,268 posted on 02/14/2009 7:46:57 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: upcountry miss

I have been thinking a bit about your bench...

Splitting will work, and split wood like split shingles weather for a long time (much longer than sawn) As Granny has suggested, they will not be smooth and pleasant to sit on. The resin will definitely work, but ultraviolet light tends to make it milky over time. It works great indoors though. You may have seen some tables with seashells, coins, trinkets imbeded in the thick finish - that is the resin ‘cast’ surface.

A crosscut saw could be used, but believe me, it is exhausting to cut the length of a 6’ log. (Since we are none as young as our brains think we are.)

I think that what may be a solution would be using a chainsaw to split the log. While you could cut it freehand if you have a good ‘eye’ and steady control, it would probably be easier to make a temporary jig to guide the saw. This does work, and is the basis for the Alaska Sawmill that is widely sold, using a chainsaw to take the place of a circular saw or band saw as larger sawmills use.

Let’s see, if you have that log there, how about asking him - ‘Do you have a minute?’ Would you start the chainsaw for me so I can cut this log in half... (grin) You know he will then do it to show you how it is done... That was one my mother used to use with very good results - My wife uses that on me too. We guys are a sucker for that line.

Hey, on another topic... Maybe you could give us all some tips on locating antique parts online to help us also fix up our equipment as needed.


1,269 posted on 02/14/2009 7:49:37 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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http://www.fooddownunder.com/cgi-bin/recipet.cgi?r=109919&y=10

Recipe 109919 of 281476

Title: Fruity Muffins
Keys: Desserts Breads Baked Warm
Yield: 10 Servings

Ingredients:

8 oz Self-Rising Whole-Wheat Flour
2 tsp Baking powder
1 tbl Light brown sugar
3 1/2 oz Dried Apricots, chopped
1 med banana, mashed with 1 tb orange juice
1 tsp Orange rind, grated finely
1 1/4 cup Skimmed milk
1 med egg, beaten
3 tbl Corn oil
2 tbl Oatmeal
Fruit spread, honey, or
Maple syrup, to serve

Method:
Preheat the oven to 400F degrees. Place 10 paper muffin cases in a deep muffin pan. Sift the flour and baking powder into a mixing bowl, adding any husks that remain in the sifter. Stir in the sugar and chopped apricots. Make a well in the center of the dry ingredients and add the banana, orange rind, milk, beaten egg,and oil. mix together well to form a thick batter. Divide the batter evenly among the 10 paper cases.Sprinkle with a few oatmeal pieces and bake for 25-30 minutes until well risen and firm to the touch, or until a skewer inserted into the center comes out clean. Transfer the muffins to a wire rack to cool slightly. Serve the muffins warm with a little fruit spread, honey, or maple syrup.


1,270 posted on 02/14/2009 8:05:57 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/journals/ajp1884/12-cree.html

Medicinal Plants Used by the Cree Indians, Hudson’s Bay Territory.

* Abies balsamea
* Acorus calamus
* Alnus viridis
* Betula pubescens
* Cornus sericea
* Juniperus communis
* Kalmia angustifolia
* Kalmia latifolia
* Populus
* Prunella vulgaris
* Prunus virginiana
* Pyrus
* Rhododendron groenlandicum

BY E. M. HOLMES, F.L.S.,

Curator of the Museum of the Pharmaceutical Society,

Mr. Walton Haydon, who has resided for some time in the Hudson’s Bay Territory, recently presented to the Pharmaceutical Society a series of specimens of the drugs used by the native Indians, and with them has also contributed some information concerning their uses, which may be of interest in the future if placed on record. Only the native name of some of the drugs is known at present, but Mr. Haydon has promised to forward specimens of the plants from which they are obtained on his return to Hudson’s Bay.

continued.


1,271 posted on 02/14/2009 8:22:24 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere; All

http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/journals/ajp1884/12-martynia.html

Martynia and its Humble Servants.

BY JOSEPH CRAWFORD, PH.G.

From an Inaugural Essay.

This subject is chosen to show, not the presence of some powerful alkaloid or other valuable therapeutical, principle which I think is wanting, but rather some of the relations existing between plants and insects, and to awaken a deeper interest among students for observing the indigenous Materia Medica and the wonderful forms exhibited by plants.

continued.

A delightful 1884 explanation of pollination.


1,272 posted on 02/14/2009 8:39:04 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Hi, granny!

Happy Valentine’s Day! Yeah, I know. Don’t want wine and roses unless it’s a grape arbor and a rose bush. At least that’s what I tell my husband!

Busy day today...shopping...freeping...yard work...washing clothes...cooking, and more freeping.

Just when I think I’ve caught up reading this thread I’m even more behind than ever!

Went with my mom to my dad’s grave site today and promised him we’d somehow turn this country around.

Do I remember correctly that you are 3/4 Cherokee? If you are did you ever make any turquoise jewelry? I have some beautiful bracelets and rings that a Navajo Indian lady made for me almost 30 years ago. She said the stones came from the Bisbee mine. She was a real artist. Tried to find her @15 years ago, but she had died.

Hopefully spring will be here soon although it’s still really cool here.

Take care!


1,273 posted on 02/14/2009 9:19:33 PM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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http://www.fooddownunder.com/cgi-bin/recipet.cgi?r=185376&y=1

Recipe 185376 of 281476

Title: Parched Corn Travelling Food ... Uninhq’’ Da`

Keys: Native Canadian Canada North American
Yield: 1 servings

Ingredients:

No Ingredients Found

Method:
There was apparently no more popular travelling or hunting food than this preparation in olden times. It was light, nourishing, and could be eaten either cooked or raw. It is rarely used at present, except on certain ceremonial occasions, such as False-Face Society functions.

In making it, the white Tuscarora and other kinds of bread corn are employed. The ripe corn is shelled, parched slightly in the embers, as for popping, thrown into the mortar, some maple sugar added, and the whole pounded and sifted together to a rather fine meal. When intended for pudding or soups, rather than for eating raw, the maple sugar may be left out.

Dried fruit, such as cherries, is said to have been pulverized with it at times. Sugar is not used when the food is intended for hunters or for athletes, as it would make them dizzy (the sugar being derived from the maple, the branches of which sway about in the wind).

The uninhq’’da’ is also at times mixed up with chopped meat.

It was prepared for use in several ways. It might be eaten raw in small quantities, though more than a small handful was considered dangerous without cooking, on account of its tendency to swell.

On hunting expeditions or in time of war a small wooden cup or bowl was carried along. A little water was taken in this and a small amount of the meal added.

When game was found or when the enemy was vanquished, it was added to the venison or other provisions secured.

John Bartram, in “Observations Made by John Bartram in His Journey From Pennsylvania to Onondaga, Oswego and the Lake Ontario in Canada” (London, 1751), at p. 71 notes of this food that “... about one-quarter of a pound, diluted in a pint of water, is a hearty travelling dinner.”

Historical references to the food are numerous, showing conclusively its common use throughout the Iroquois and Algonkin region as reported by Robert Beverly in “The History and in Samuel de Champlain’s “Voyages of Samuel de Champlain” (Prince Society ed., Boston, 1878-1882) he states that very dry Indian corn was used in its manufacture. It was roasted in ashes, brayed to a meal and, in preparing it for food, they cooked a large quantity of fish and meat, cut it into pieces, skimmed off the fat, and added the meal of roasted corn, cooking the whole to a thick soup. This was among the Huron and eastern Algonkins. At p. 155 of the above-referenced “The History and Present State of Virginia,”

Robert Beverly also furnishes some information: The Indians of Virginia frequently took with them on their journeys “a Pint or Quart of Rockahomonie, that is, the finest Indian corn, parched and beaten to a powder. When they find their stomachs empty (and cannot stay the tedious Cookery of other things) they put about a spoonful of this into their Mouths, and drink a Draught of Water upon it, which stays in their stomachs.”

A Tonawanda informant described its use by Seneca athletes in running. A decoction should also be prepared of the toad rush, Juncus bufonius, the fact of its growing beside the runner’s pathway being considered significant. A handful of the plant is steeped in nearly a pailful of water. The idea is to provoke vomiting. The person using it must drink about two quarts the first time, vomit, drink the same quantity, and vomit again. The face and body are also washed with the liquid. This is done about three times during the week before the race. Only sweet milk and Indian corn bread, agwe’’aw’`a’’gwa’ (Seneca), are to be eaten. A quantity of the scorched cornmeal is carried along to eat while running, a little being taken now and again. The Seneca name for the meal is

“wade’’sondak one’q,” or “burnt corn.” Mrs. John Williams of Caughnawaga gave “wanaha’sa o’nasde’” as a Mohawk equivalent.

“Iroquois Foods and Food Preparations, Memoir 86, No. 12, Anthropological Series” by F. W. Waugh, (Ottawa Government Printing


1,274 posted on 02/14/2009 9:37:09 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

That’s really neat Granny.

Son of Chief Warhorse approves!!!


1,275 posted on 02/14/2009 9:47:19 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Wanted to be sure and wish you a happy Valentines Day!

Will see y’all in the morning.


1,276 posted on 02/14/2009 9:51:13 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: azishot

You have had a day of it, and a Happy Valentines day to you, you can have that tomorrow, forget today, we can have 2 of 14 if we want to do so.

Why not I had 2 fridays, got up Thursday, did my medicine act and decided that Scott would have to go and pick up the prescriptions, today [friday,] the one day off that he could do
so. So I left a frantic message on his answering machine.

Our local drugstore is not open on weekends.

After A cup of coffee, I decided that it was indeed Thursday and about 6 pm, here was Scott, he got the message, was one of his early days, so he got the prescriptions and now that worry is off my head.

Going to the cemetery of a fine man like your father had to be, with all the current politics, is upsetting for anyone.

LOL, When I finally got a chance to make a ring from scratch, I set the 2 inch oblong/oval polished Alaskan Jade, that had been a gift to me 20 years ago, by a customer who went on vacation and wouldn’t take me with him...[joking], so he brought me the piece of Jade, ready to set, as he knew Bill and I were getting excited about stones.

Bill did several of the turquoise rings and other stones we found, traded for and a couple bought for their beauty.

We had a small turquoise pocket mine for a few years and it was pale, but when I wore it, the stone took on a color that was mine alone......I suspect it was the lanolin in the Avon
Vita Moist body lotion that i used every day.

I always hate to hear that another of the real Navajo silversmiths have died, there are so few of them and their young don’t want the old ways either.

Roses and a grape arbor, that sounds good to me.

I have some of the Bisbee turquoise, but it has been treated.

The spiderweb turquoise, came from a mine about 15 miles north of me, the Duval mining site.


1,277 posted on 02/14/2009 9:54:59 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

Son of Chief Warhorse approves!!!<<<

Glad someone does.
LOL

I haven’t a clue on how I got lost in the indian medicine and food, but have been there for hours.

Happy Valentines Day to you too, and your lovely family.

Sleep well, I will also shortly.


1,278 posted on 02/14/2009 9:59:03 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All

If you like Catfish, check this link, it has more ways to cook it, than I knew existed:

http://www.fooddownunder.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=cats

Game

* alligator · bear · boar · buffalo · caribou · crocodile · deer · duck · game · goat · goose · hare · moose · partridge · pheasant · pigeon · quail · rabbit · squab · venison · wild ·

http://www.fooddownunder.com/

And lots of the more ‘expected ‘ recipes on the last link.....


1,279 posted on 02/14/2009 10:07:44 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; azishot
From the Arizona Cooperative Extension...
Chapter 10:   MG Manual Reference
Ch. 10, pp. 1 - 132

The Vegetable Garden

When planning your garden, it is important to ask a few basic questions:

Who will be doing the work? Will the garden be a group project with family members or friends who will work willingly through the season to a fall harvest, or will you be handling the hoe alone, in between camping and swimming? Remember, a small weed-free garden will produce more than a large weedy mess.

What do you and your family like to eat? Although the pictures in the garden catalog look delicious, there is no value in taking up gardening space with vegetables that no one eats. Make a list of your family's favorite vegetables, ranked in order of preference. This will make a useful guide in deciding how much to plant of each. Successive plantings of certain crops, such as beans, will give a longer harvest period and increase your yield. List recommended varieties and planting dates.

How do you plan to use the produce from your garden? If you plan to can, freeze, dry, or store part of the produce, this will be a factor not only in planning the size of the garden but also in selecting the varieties grown. Some varieties have much better keeping quality than others. Care should be used in choosing the seeds, making sure the varieties you select are adapted to your area and intended use.

How much space is available? That is, how much area can be converted into usable garden space, not simply how much empty ground is available.



Chapter 10 Index:

Introduction

Soil Preparation

Seed For The Garden
[ Seed | Soil Temperature ]

Transplants For The Garden

Irrigating The Garden
[ Irrigating | Rooting ]

Fertilizing The Garden

Weed Control In The Garden

Vegetable Planting Guide and Recommended Planting Dates
[ Guide | Regions 1 - 3 | Regions 4 - 6 ]

Intensive Gardening Methods

Container Garden

Vegetable Gardening In The Fall (Winter In The Hotter Regions)
[ Fall | Season ]

Selected Vegetable Crops
[ Intro | Asparagus | Beans | Broccoli | Brussels Sprouts | Cabbage | Cauliflower | Sweet Corn | Cucumbers | Eggplant | Lettuce | Melons | Onions | Peppers | Potatoes | Squash | Tomatoes | Herbs | Herb Use ]







VEGETABLE GARDEN: SEED FOR THE GARDEN [continued]

Previous Previous

  MG Manual Reference
Ch.10, pp. 13 - 14
[Seed for the Garden: seed | soil temperature ]


Table 10.3

SOIL TEMPERATURE CONDITION FOR VEGETABLE SEED GERMINATION1Top


VEGETABLE MIN.
(°F)
RANGE
(°F)
OPTIMUM
(°F)
MAX
(°F)
DAYS TO
GERMINATION
ASPARAGUSa 50° 60° - 85° 75° 95° 21 - 30
BEANd 60° 60° - 85° 80° 95° 7 - 14
BEAN LIMAe 60° 65° - 85° 85° 85° 10 - 14
BEETb 40° 50° - 85° 85° 95° 7 - 14
CABBAGEa, b 40° 45° - 95° 85° 100° 7 - 10
CARROTb 40° 45° - 85° 80° 95° 10 - 21
CAULIFLOWERa, b 40° 45° - 85° 80° 100° 3 - 10
CELERYa 40° 60° - 70° 70° 85° 14 - 21
CHARD SWISSb 50° 50° - 85° 85° 95° 7 - 14
CORNd 50° 60° - 95° 95° 105° 7 - 10
CUCUMBERc, d 60° 75° - 95° 95° 105° 7 - 10
EGGPLANTc 60° 40° - 80° 85° 95° 7 - 12
LETTUCEa 35° 40° - 80° 75° 85° 7 - 14
MUSKMELONe 60° 75° - 95° 90° 100° 7 - 10
OKRAe 60° 70° - 95° 95° 105° 8 - 12
ONIONa 35° 50° - 95° 75° 95° 10 - 14
PARSLEYb 40° 50° - 85° 75° 90° 10 - 21
PARSNIPb 35° 50° - 70° 65° 85° 14 - 21
PEAb 40° 40° - 75° 75° 85° 8 - 10
PEPPERc 60° 65° - 95° 85° 95° 14 - 21
PUMPKINd 60° 70° - 90° 95° 100° 7 - 10
RADISHb 40° 45° - 90° 95° 95° 3 - 7
SPINACHb 35° 45° - 75° 70° 85° 7 - 10
SQUASHd 60° 70° - 95° 95° 100° 9 - 12
TOMATOc 59° 60° - 85° 85° 95° 5 - 14
TURNIPb 40° 60° - 105° 85° 105° 6 - 7
WATERMELONe 60° 70° - 95° 95° 105° 7 - 10
1Compiled by J.F. Harrington, Dept. of Vegetable Crops, University of California, Davis.
2Daily fluctuation to 60° or lowers at night is essential
aHardy vegetables to grow as transplants.
bHardy vegetables for direct seeding.
cTender vegetables to grow as transplants.
dTender vegetables for direct seeding.
eTender vegetables for direct seeding, 2 weeks after last frost.
Table 10.4

TEMPERATURES AND TIMES REQUIRED FOR GROWING PLANTS FOR FIELD TRANSPLANTING1Top


Vegetable Day2
(°F)
Night
(°F)
Time
(weeks)
Asparagus 70° - 80° 65° - 70° 8 - 10
Broccoli 60° - 70° 50° - 60° 5 - 7
Brussels Sprouts 60° - 70° 50° - 60° 5 - 7
Cabbage 60° - 70° 50° - 60° 5 - 7
Cauliflower 60° - 70° 50° - 60° 5 - 7
Celery 65° - 75° 60° - 65° 10 - 12
Sweet Corn 70° - 75° 60° - 65° 3 - 4
Cucumber 70° - 75° 60° - 65° 3 - 4
Eggplant 70° - 80° 65° - 70° 6 - 8
Lettuce 70° - 80° 50° - 55° 5 - 7
Muskmelon 70° - 75° 60° - 65° 3 - 4
Onion 60° - 65° 55° - 60° 10 - 12
Pepper 65° - 75° 60° - 65° 6 - 8
Summer Squash 70° - 75° 60° - 65° 3 - 4
Tomato 70° - 75° 65° - 75° 5 - 7
Watermelon 70° - 80° 65° - 70° 3 - 4



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This site was developed for the Arizona Cooperative Extension, College of Agriculture, The University of Arizona.

1,280 posted on 02/15/2009 5:01:12 AM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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