Posted on 02/21/2009 8:30:12 PM PST by Blogger
Question for Computer Geeks.
If someone blind carbon copies you on an email, is there any way that the person receiving the email can dig into that email to see the names blind copied?
“And no charges were ever filed? Being 1971, was this part of the protests for Vietnam?”
There must have been some (many?) charges filed but I know that for many such as myself no charges were filed, after enlisting in the army a few months later I used my free JAG services to check it out for myself to see if I had missed something over the (five?) days of total internment (I was finally released from a DC city jail), but no, I had not been charged, I had been questioned by the FBI and offered release if I answered questions (that was about the second or third day of internment).
People were sent all over the place, I heard that 3000 were held in a prison in Virginia.
Yes, it was a Vietnam protest.
On whether the recipient is able to gain access to the sender's computer or to the sender's email server.
It is going to happen again. They have been planning it. I would like to gather articles to show how they are systematically carrying this out. The calls for a TEA PARTY may be playing into their hands.
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: CLOSED Congress Session Last Night: Only 4th Time In 176 Years !
SPECIAL “CLOSED SESSION” OF U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DISCUSSED A LOT MORE THAN THE PENDING SECURITY SURVEILLANCE PROVISIONS!
This was only the fourth time in 176 years that Congress has closed its doors to the public. What was it that they were discussing that they do NOT want us to know about?
Word has begun leaking from last nights special, closed-door session of the United States House of Representatives.
Not only did members discuss new surveillance provisions as was the publicly stated reason for the closed door session, they also discussed:
1. the imminent collapse of the U.S. economy to occur by September 2008,
2. the imminent collapse of US federal government finances by February 2009,
3. the possibility of Civil War inside the USA as a result of the collapse,
4. advance round-ups of “insurgent U.S. citizens” likely to move against the government,
5. the detention of those rounded-up at “REX 84” camps constructed throughout the USA,
6. the possibility of retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses,
7. the location of “safe facilities” for members of Congress and their families to reside during expected massive civil unrest,
8. the necessary and unavoidable merger of the United States with Canada (for its natural resources) and with Mexico (for its cheap labor pool),
9. the issuance of a new currency - THE AMERO - for all three nations as the proposed solution to the coming economic armageddon.
Members of Congress were FORBIDDEN to reveal what was discussed. Several are so furious and concerned about the future of the country, they have begun leaking info. More details coming later today and over the weekend. SPREAD THE WORD!!!
Video here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=46d_1205873088
“It is going to happen again. They have been planning it. I would like to gather articles to show how they are systematically carrying this out. The calls for a TEA PARTY may be playing into their hands.”
The reality is that the paranoia thing is over played, nothing much happens in America outside of the dirty, knock down world of politics which conservatives are presently losing, mostly because of the 1965 immigration act.
If you look close at post 21 you will see that I joined the army a few months after being the only “interned” freeper.
It just isn’t a big deal, win some elections and we can turn this all around, there is no great conspiracy other than the eternal political battle between conservatives and liberals (in America).
How about this plea, we don’t need more paranoids that can identify the problems.
We need more positive people that can lead and win elections.
Are you young enough to help and steer us into being more effective in the election process?
There are several issues with your premise.
1)Just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you. This administration in particular has shown disdain for conservatism, but more than that has shown disdain for our Constitution. This issue extends from the White House to the Court House to the halls of Congress. Ignoring the problems (which are NOT being heralded by the media) only exacerbates the issue and further contributes to the dumbing down of our society. It is not ‘paranoid’ to note we have a Government that is scarily out of control right now - and we will not know who to elect unless we can clearly identify the problems and those causing them.
2)Positivism wins elections. This statement isn’t necessarily true. By the end of this administration or even during the mid-term elections, Americans are going to be hurting. Financially, we may be in ruins. We probably already are. We will finally have their attention. That is not the time to put on a Pollyanna sunshine smile and speak calming words to them while ‘ignoring the problems’. Rather, that is a time to speak frankly - America - you did this. You chose poorly during elections and elections have consequences. Your freedoms and your finances have been adversely effected by the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Frank, and poor choices in the Republican party for Congress. Assuming we get there, this may be their very last chance to right a wrong. Sober straightforward conversation is the prescription for what ails them. Followed by action at the voting booth and in life.
3)Only young people can steer the ship of state. I happen to be a younger person, and work on my end to see folks elected and communicate with my Congress critters when important issues come up. But, don’t write off the older generation either.
Obama kids went down to Florida to steer their grandparents into voting Obama. This is not because they lack influence in elections. Some of them actually come from the time period where critical thinking skills were still developed in schools. It may be the grandparents sitting down and talking to their grandchildren the next go around - and when little Johnny and Susie are finding that the jobless rate is through the roof and it is more and more difficult for them to get ahead - perhaps then they will listen.
Final note. When I first saw the list I posted I dismissed it as well. I thought “conspiracy kook stuff.” Then Lehman Brothers fell in September. That got my attention; and since then I have watched our government doing what can only be described as bankrupting itself ever since. It is February and we now have more debt owed than the entire world’s GDP. People around the US are talking Revolution. Legislation for more internment Camps has been drafted. If we look the other way and pretend this is not happening, then it won’t be three days of brief confinement we are facing. It will be the fall of the Republic.
Time is short. We need smart thinkers who can come up with a quick solution because 2010 may be too late.
Awww....that was under the Bush Regime. 0bama is president now. Ya know...Hope 'n' Change?
He's our savior dontchaknow...he would never have any of this kind of stuff going on...he loves us all too much to want to see us harmed.
Would you describe the experience?
It always is calming to know more detail of what we might be facing at some point.
No wonder you are paranoid, you took my simple post, put the worst possible and inaccurate spin to it and just made up your own little version, and then answered yourself.
I didn’t mention ignoring anything, instead I promoted activism in politics not paranoia masturbation and seeing how many times we can discuss black helicopters while elections are being won and lost.
I never mentioned having a “positive” attitude winning elections and being “pollyanish”, but instead of paranoia we need people that will take positive ACTIONS and win elections, we did all this in the early 90s when we got involved at the grass roots.
Gee I made a friendly reference to what I guessed was your youth, I never wrote off anybody including myself and half or more of FR.
Big deal you saw “the list” now go out and get someone elected, because the only solution is political, it isn’t stockpiling guns and our private discussions of how many black helicopters we saw this week.
This obsessive paranoia is going to get very boring as the years go by and many conservatives will get sucked into the John Birch Society type of uselessness as they start dropping out of participation in the electoral process.
It doesn’t hurt to remind those types that they need to keep some balance internally and not let themselves start thinking that the future is already decided and that we must drop out of mainstream politics and head for the hills.
“Would you describe the experience?”
I was there for the adventure, the national news made it sound like it was going to be a blood bath because of the 82nd and the Marines.
In the coliseum where I was held along with a few thousand others we didn’t have showers and we just slept where we could, we were kept in the bleachers while the National Guard guarded the exits and controlled the arena below, that is where the FBI did their initial questioning of every individual, offering release to those that would agree to further interrogation away from public view.
The sexes were mixed and it was a fascinating collection of people, the National Guard seemed friendly and even sympathetic, they even supplemented our food one day, I don’t remember if we were being fed or not, although when I got to the city jail I was ecstatic to find that the food was a huge cardboard box of dry bologna sandwiches, for me it was the best feast that I have ever had in a jail, I could eat all I wanted, in fact most everyone else ignored them.
Seeing how quickly and easily the system can choose to ignore all the rules of law was a little discouraging, but I already had years of experience of seeing that by being a part of the wandering hitchhiking world, It really impressed me that I didn’t see the DC police beat anyone (except at the demonstration) back then a beating at the jail or even in the offices in front of the secretaries was very common.
I assume this little soiree is that to which you refer (the tipoff is the every three minute landings at Andrews):
WIKI
“By 1971, many anti-war leaders realized that massive, non-violent political protests were not going to end the Vietnam war. The next step of the protest movement would have to be more aggressive. The planning began in June 1970 when Rennie Davis joined Jerry Coffin of the War Resisters League, and then Michael Lerner later that year. Davis went to Paris for coordination with representatives of the communist North Vietnamese government. [1] So the Mayday Tribe was formed. It was made up of Yippies and other more militant members of the anti-war movement. Their tactics would be non-violent but aggressive. The overall objective of the Mayday Tribe was to create such a high level of “social chaos” that the only way the political leaders could end the chaos would be to stop the War. The Mayday Tribe’s first and last action would occur on May 3rd, 1971.
The Tribe’s plan was to “shut down the Government”. This would be achieved by having small groups of determined protesters block major intersections and bridges in the Capital and stop workday traffic from coming into the city on Monday morning. On the weekend prior to the action, about 35,000 activists had camped out in West Potomac Park, not far from the Washington Monument. They had gathered in the park to listen to rock music and plan for the coming mass action. Unfortunately for the protesters, the government had anticipated their actions. Early Sunday morning May 2nd, the Nixon administration had the park permit canceled. U.S. Park Police and Washington Metropolitan Police, dressed in riot gear, raided the encampment. The police formed up in phalanxes and slowly moved through the park firing tear gas and knocking down tents, forcing out the campers. The campers scattered towards the Reflecting Pool and the Lincoln Memorial. After the campsite was closed down, most of the protesters went home but a hard core of about 10,000 regrouped at various churches and college campuses in the area. Even though their numbers and objectives had been reduced, they still planned to close down the government on Monday morning. Many were forced into the nearest car and ordered to leave the city by police. The mass exodus stopped traffic on the freeways for hours, and there was a big mobile party on the highways leading out of D.C. that day. Police mostly ignored the drugs, concentrating on expelling the mob from the Nation’s Capital.
The Nixon administration was determined to keep the Capital open at all costs. The Federal government already had various plans drawn up to deal with major disruptions in cities throughout the country. These plans had been developed in response to the urban disorders of the 1960s. The government now put one of these plans into action to protect the Capital. While protesters listened to music, planned their actions or slept, the authorities quickly moved 10,000 Federal troops to various locations in the D.C. area, including 4,000 paratroopers from the U.S. 82nd Airborne Division. At one point, so many soldiers and marines were being moved into the area from bases along the East Coast that troop transports were landing at the rate of one every three minutes at Andrews Air Force Base in suburban Maryland, about 15 miles from the White House. These troops were to back up the 5,100 D.C. Metropolitan Police and 2,000 D.C. National Guard troops that were already on the streets.
A state of siege existed in the Capital. Thousands of troops and thousands of demonstrators planned to confront each other on Monday May 3rd. Nixon’s internal security forces had moved into place early Monday morning. Every bridge coming into the city was lined with troops. Every monument, park and traffic circle had troops protecting its perimeters. Paratroopers and marines made helicopter combat assaults onto the grounds of the Washington Monument. Hundreds of troops were brought into the city by helicopter to support the police. While the troops were in place and thousands held in reserve, the police clashed with members of the Mayday Tribe. The Yippies engaged in hit and run tactics throughout the city, trying to disrupt traffic and cause chaos in the streets. The police responded with tear gas and mass arrests. While Nixon rested in San Clemente, California, thousands of Federal workers had to navigate through police lines and Mayday Tribe roadblocks. Nixon had refused to give Federal workers the day off because he wanted it to appear as though the government was still operating normally.
While the troops secured the major intersections and bridges, the police roamed through the city making massive arrest sweeps. They arrested anyone who looked like a demonstrator, rounding up thousands and transporting them to an emergency detention center located at the Washington Redskins practice field, next to RFK Stadium, east of the United States Capitol.[citation needed] Skirmishes between protesters and police occurred up until about mid-day, but by Monday afternoon, the Mayday Tribe’s actions were mostly over. Against thousands of troops and police, the protesters did not have a chance. On Monday, the police had arrested over 7,000 demonstrators. Over the next few days several thousand more would be arrested during smaller protests, making this the largest mass arrest in U.S. history.
The Mayday action had failed. The government had not shut down. Its leaders were arrested by the FBI on conspiracy charges, and other protesters who had been caught up in the police sweeps were eventually released. Many of those arrested were later financially compensated by the Federal government because the massive police arrest sweeps were later declared unconstitutional.”
People should try to imagine the arrest and holding of between 12,500 and 13,500 people.
This is the kind of muscle that the city brought in,“At one point, so many soldiers and marines were being moved into the area from bases along the East Coast that troop transports were landing at the rate of one every three minutes at Andrews Air Force Base in suburban Maryland, about 15 miles from the White House.”
Man, I miss the good old days, something that surprised me was that the farther away from DC you were, the more convinced you were that the city was burning and being destroyed, the people in DC seemed pretty good natured about the whole thing though.
After a couple of weeks in DC I saw the effect of the media while leaving the city just as I had seen it while approaching the city. The farther away from the city that I got (hitchiking), the more that the people were convinced that horrors and violence were taking place there (it wasn’t).
Yes that is it, and the article makes it all sound so dramatic, I went there because the national coverage made it sound like it was a bubbling cauldron of danger and violence. I even thought that I would have to sneak into the city to penetrate the siege.
My last ride into the city was a businessman that picked me up, he laughed when I told him what the newscasts were showing and what America thought was taking place in DC. He said nothing much was going on and pointed out how some kids had pushed over some garbage cans to block a street but that all in all the kids were mostly polite and harmless.
It was also great fun to read the competing versions of things that you actually witnessed being reported on in the newspapers. Often we would read the most outrageous lies creating a dramatic story about something that never took place.
Hyperbole is the Worchestershire sauce of legend.
Whatever ansel. Good day.
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