[AdamBomb]

While I am a birther, I think this is a non-argument in fact it is damaging to my belief. The last paper form put on the stack of paper would be the first birth certificate put in the system / i.e. numbered.

Actually, the fact that the numbers are so close is somewhat damning to our argument. The number that is on the factcheck “certification of live birth” seems like it is a legitimate number since it is so close to the twins bc number. It also implies that Barry’s BC was filed on or around august 4, 1961 his so called date of birth and not filed much later when mom got back from Kenya. I think this is damning to our birther argument.

[fr_freak]

It also implies that Barry’s BC was filed on or around august 4, 1961 his so called date of birth and not filed much later when mom got back from Kenya. I think this is damning to our birther argument.

First, everything you say will be suspect until you get some posting history. We are constantly hit by trolls here.

Second, the closeness in numbers does nothing to damage the possibility of the forged birth certificate. Do you really think that anyone who tried to pass off a bogus birth certificate for the president of the US would just yank a serial number out of his behind? Anyone with half a brain would look for a serial number that was relevant for the place and time period. If Freepers can find out what the range of serial numbers used in those days are, then surely any potential forgers could, too.

[Smokeyblue]

I don’t actually know what to make of this information but I do know that Obama has fought releasing his long form. It might not be the “natural born” part that is the problem for him. It might be something else.

Excluding the fact that he is already ineligible due to his supposed father being a foreigner.

[meatloaf]

You’re forgetting that at that time a family member could file the information for a birth and it didn’t have to be in Hawaii. I would expect the number to be close.

[Typical_Whitey]

Oahu is not a huge island... There may have been a lapse of a few days between births thats Why it is important to find out the dates of cert #’s 639 and 640....

This almost exactly proves that Anne Dunham was in Kenya on Aug 4th gave birth and one or two days later returned to Hawaii and registered his birth.

It certainly raises more questions that it solves and in my opinion is damning to his case that he was born in the USA

[cynwoody]

It also implies that Barry’s BC was filed on or around august 4, 1961 his so called date of birth and not filed much later when mom got back from Kenya.

If Mom had just got back from Kenya, how come none of her friends remember the travelogue? It must have been impressive, especially in 1961, and I'm sure she would have been eager to tell it.

[Poincare]

It also implies that Barry’s BC was filed on or around august 4, 1961 his so called date of birth and not filed much later when mom got back from Kenya.

Grandma Dunham could have filed after hearing from Stanley Ann by telephone or telegraph. (It's a boy! Named BHO Jr.) She could have got the address wrong as well as printed in the papers.

Or Stanley Ann could have flown back and filed by the 8th, say.

Nothing is proved in the absence of evidence.

[ASDMom]

I’m 100% convinced O is not elligible to be POTUS because he is so secretive about his identification. So much focus has been payed to the birth certificate...WHAT If birthers are on the wrong trail? What if his Hawaii birth is actually legit? Take a second to consider that maybe the focus should be more on the adoption by Soetoro and the fact that O is Indonesian. What about the foreign student financial aid and passports? Why isn’t anyone suing O to produce these papers? Like someone mentioned in a previous post, at adoption a new BC may have been issued and the old destroyed. Someone would have to “recreate” the original, thus the document’s descrepancies noted by the pros. Regardless, his mother wasn’t 18 and was inelligible to transfer citizenship status. Maybe what we NEED is his MOTHER’S birth certificate!

[dglang]

There is a date of 1966 at the bottom of those two birth certificates, they were not produced during their birth year of 1961.

These are later requested copies and while they themselves contain valid birth data, the date these certificates were issued doesn't indicate anything other than they were issues five years after the births.

If we use the date issued from Obama certification and it is in range with these, then obviously these can not be used to say that Obama’s certification was valid simply because the dates are similar.

The issued date means very little, the actual date of birth is what is important.