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To: Ramius; g'nad; osagebowman; Lost Dutchman; Squantos; Corin Stormhands; JenB; TalonDJ; ExGeeEye; ...
Tonight's Saturday Night Gun Pron is a vey short range report comparing the H&K VP70Z with its direct descendent, the P7PSP. I loaded two 18-round magazines for the VP70, the first for familiarization firing, the second for comparison to the P7. The ammo was standard NATO 124gr ball, the first stuff I found when I looked in the ammo closet. Here are the results.

At seven yards, 13 of 18 rounds made it to the paper with the VP70. The P7 went 16-for-16, although I could have done a better job. I forgot I had optimized the P7's spring rate for 100gr defense loads, so it kicked more, and I had to make some minor adjustments in my shooting stance for the second magazine. When by brain functions properly, the P7 can keep all the rounds in the black, even with my meager skills.

The VP70 was just a truck with bad springs. I could get used to the 20-pound trigger pull, which was fairly consistent. But the trigger finger also cocks that hugh recoil spring, which is of unknown, but heavy, power.

Being a straight blowback, too, the VP70 provides a real slap to the hand in both directions that heavy slide moves. The grip-cocking mechanism and retarded blowback of the P7 makes for a much more pleasant shooting experience, until the gas cylinder just above your trigger finger gets too hot to tolerate after about four magazines of rapid fire. The VP70 could probably fire around the clock with no problems, buy my hand said "uncle" after 36 rounds.

The clear winner, and my favorite 9mm handgun, is the H&K P7. But the VP70 is an interesting piece, and an evolutionary example of something H&K almost got right. Still happy to have it in the collection.

3,833 posted on 05/26/2012 11:24:40 PM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag

Only conversation I ever had with Col Jeff Cooper was over a P7 one of my troops brought to gunsite long ago.

He called the P7 a stapler ever time he saw one. As to its operation I just don’t like the squeeze cocker based only on my own inability to engage the damn thing as fast as I could a 1911 or Browning high power . Only Hk handgun I carried for a long time was a P9S in .45.

Loved that Hk !

Good reading as usual. Thanks.

Stay safe


3,834 posted on 05/27/2012 5:15:29 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: 300winmag

Very interesting as always, Mister Mag. :-)


3,835 posted on 05/27/2012 5:38:00 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: 300winmag

Excellent range report - Win Mag. 20 lb trigger, straight blow back, still it was made for nearly 20 years. HK P7 is one that I really want to shoot; just to see how it feels. I think 1 mag would have convinced me the earlier gun needed some more time on the drawing board. Very glad you made the test for the rest of us.


3,836 posted on 05/27/2012 6:43:27 PM PDT by osagebowman
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