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To: 300winmag; B4Ranch

Nice one WinMag, a classic that has found a good home. Liked your analogy to the pound puppy. Very nice find with ‘box ‘n docs’ even the cleaning kit. That must have been stored in safety deposit box.

Although I prefer the Model 38 to the Model 36, it’s all good when it comes to the old J frames.

Crimson trace grips are nice addition to a daily carry piece.


4,205 posted on 12/09/2013 2:52:36 PM PST by osagebowman
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To: osagebowman; Squantos; B4Ranch; g'nad; JenB; Ramius
Very nice find with ‘box ‘n docs’ even the cleaning kit. That must have been stored in safety deposit box.

In the words of the late,late TV commercials, "but wait, there's more!". I took off the grips again, and closer observation showed the serial number stamped into the vey dense, dark walnut. Hard to see without looking at various angles under a strong light, but even finding the proper inked-in serial numbers is a treat.

Closer study showed that I was not seeing rust, but oxidized, congealed, high-quality gun oil from 1966. No drag marks on anything, although the Nanolube treatment is starting to add them in the proper places, and will slowly hone away the solid goo. It is now "touched", but only to bring it to the peak of its condition, which is its purpose.

But the biggest surprise came as I looked more closely at the bottom surface of the side plate, and the frame itself. The side plate interior was clean and businesslike, as would be expected from ordinary S&W craftsmanship of the era. But the interior surface of the frame was jeweled before bluing. Not the delicate, Swiss-watch-type jeweling to decorate the finest and most expensive shotguns, but a fairly coarse, but very workman-like treatment. To say I was stuned was the understatement of my month.

This is the oldest unfired S&W that I've been privileged to study. I don't know how common this was for a "working" weapon in the past. I've seen some very good machine work on current weapons when the CNC operator has sharp mills, and is ahead of schedule in his work, and wants to showcase what even a dumb machine can do. But never anything better than this, and only on mostly-hand-built luxury shotguns in the $5K and up bracket.

May St Barbara smile even more on S&W once they shake the dust of New England off their shoes, and establish a new Promised Land anywhere in Free America.

4,206 posted on 12/10/2013 2:09:08 AM PST by 300winmag (Whatever CAN go wrong has already happened. We just don't know about it yet.)
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To: Ramius; g'nad; osagebowman; Lost Dutchman; Squantos; Corin Stormhands; JenB; TalonDJ; ExGeeEye; ...
Last week was Thanksgiving, and I'm still getting caught up in sharing some of the many material things, among everything else, that I had to be thankful for. One item is the CZ Coach hammer shotgun. While it looks like something that came out of Cowboy Action shooting, I'm not sure this particular configuration ever existed prior to today.

It's a technological anachronism, using modern operating and manufacturing concepts in a form that was already too expensive to produce even a hundred years ago, when the last hammer shotguns (except for costly custom models) were vanishing. The steel is modern, with barrels capable of handling any modern 3" shotshells on the market. The wood is a plain-grain, but very dense and solid, walnut. Except for the blued barrels, every exposed piece of metal is color case-hardened, done for no other reason but to show that the ancient art still isn't quite dead. The coloring is hard to show in a picture, but here's the best I could do.

Modern design concepts include rebounding hammers without a half-cock (always more of a danger than a safety), and a safety that could be engaged or disengaged with either hammer in either state. IOW, make things simpler, and therefore safer, because there are fewer ways to put the weapon into an unsafe condition.

The engraving is well done, but simple. It's somewhere on every visible part, even the steel buttplate. This could be considered a "middle class" shotgun, except the sidelock design was the most expensive to build, and the first thing to be abandoned as other designs came into being. And Europe didn't have much of a middle class, and they weren't encouraged to own shotguns, unless they lived in the countryside. To top it all off, everybody, regardless of social status, would consider "short" twenty-inches barrels "too American", and therefore crude and unsporting, when 30 to 36 inches was more a gentleman's shotgun. Of course, Americans had other requirements for a shotgun, including Mexican bandits, Philippine guerrillas, and heavily-armed domestic scum. Plus, there was so much mechanical innovation coming out of America that the newfangled pump shotguns could be equipped with short barrels too, providing massive firepower in a small package. A Marine from 1899, fighting the Boxers in China, would instinctively appreciate, and try to acquire, the Remington 870 pump shotgun with 14" breacher barrel, even over his brand-new 1897 Winchester pump shotgun with 20" barrel.

I can't conceive of any European manufacturer making a double this costly (less fancy embellishments) with this short a barrel, except as a specialized shotgun intended for game wardens of the state, or the local aristocracy. Their job was to control two- and four-legged vermin, while the elite harvested the sporting game reserved for their class.

A shotgun like this would have been the proximate cause of my paternal grandfather for bringing his young family to America during the hard years right after WW1. He ate well, and kept a lot of other poor country folks from starving in his sideline as a professional poacher. As he once told me, he wasn't worried about going to prison if caught, but was very concerned when he would have been released, because his father, the local game warden, would be waiting to really put the hurt on. A new life in America was much safer and simpler.

4,207 posted on 12/11/2013 3:08:25 AM PST by 300winmag (Whatever CAN go wrong has already happened. We just don't know about it yet.)
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