Posted on 11/06/2009 12:34:13 PM PST by Pontiac
theyre about $750 at Gander Mountain or Cabelas.
you cant readily buy the AP rounds for this gun in the USA. You can purchase a denuded 5.7 round that is no better than shooting a 20 shot hight velocity 22 pistol.
Its not the choice of someone who knows anything about guns.
anyone caught with the gun and the AP version of that round is committing a federal felony.
the 5.7 for sale at gun stores are roughly good enough for small game hunting. I imagine he read in a book that it was originally an armor piercing round and took his advice from some gunstore commando who wanted to sell him an expensive pistol and some expensive ammo.
PC will get us all killed.
The US Army will get him. They will court martial him and God willing, put his ass in front of a firing squad in a few years..
It was Muzzie doctors that tried to blow up planes in Scotland a few years ago.
I can order them from my distributors. I’m not sure about availability, but they run about $880.00 DEALER cost.They have been available to civilians since they came out.Ammo is fairly cheap too.I only see lead free hollow points or v-max varmint loads tho, no “cop killers”.
The evidence would belie that.
well, I can bet you that if that scumbag had a 9mm or a 40 cal pistol loaded with hollowpoints, the number of victims would have been substantially increased.
IF he had access to armor piercing ammo, that gun would have been a good choice, but right now it’s unclear whether he did or didnt.
It seems clear that he had help choosing that gun. Probably from some idiot terrorist cell leader.
Had seen your pic before, pretty appropriate when it comes to reporters (journalists).
Had lunch today with my brother. He told me after lunch what he thought Obozo’s intent with us was. I agreed, and I told him “not going to happen here in Texas”. He agreed. My father is 84 and was an armorer while in Europe in WWII. He is one of the resistors, too.
Too many like us. Too many armed. And too many hard case X-mil to allow them to pull it off.
I think 85% of the active duty military would not allow that to happen.
They had best look into the Abyss that they are approaching and think long and hard about the consequences. They are serious consequences.
Who has jurisdiction, Texas or the Army ?
The Tokarev has approximately 560J of energy at the muzzle compared with the .45 auto's 702J but the bullet is traveling at approximately 1700fps as opposed to around a 1080fps for the .45. It doesn't make as big a hole, but the Tokarev has some serious penetration. I have read the bullet will go through a Kevlar vest and still penetrate 12” of ballistic gel.
My main point here is that the guy probably carefully chose his weapon. They are pretty expensive, the ammo almost always would have to be special ordered, and the gun is not all that common or a very popular choice. There is a good chance that the research was as simple finding out which pistol has the highest capacity magazines and will penetrate body armor. He may also have taken into consideration that the projectile would penetrate two or three people when shot into a crowd. If he just had “lost it” like the media has been trying to say; I think it is much more likely that he would have chosen a more common caliber. Going against conventional wisdom on his choice of weapon indicates to me that he chose his tool carefully. I am not sure why that assumption irritates you. I do a lot of research on all of the tools that I own as well.
I think that most of the USA will respond similarly to what you depict in Texas, and I believe that they know it, and thus will not try anything - other than stuff like job creation, that is.
Also, in several postings today, it's been pointed out that colleagues wondered why he was so obsessed about handgun skills and wondered why he had so many hours of training in same -- I hope there will soon be a news article devoted to this specific subject, why a doc is obsessed with handgun skills, a psychiatrist no less.
Helicopter ride?
>>”....FN Five-Seven was not available for civilian purchase.”<<
My civilian buddy recently purchased a matched pair (consecutive serial numbers) from gunbroker.com. The usual transfer paperwork, no problem.
It’s not the weapon that is of concern. The “cop-killer” ammo is only available to LEO’s.
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As long as they carefully strap him in. It would be a real shame if he were to fall out.
Maybe they could just walk him by the tail rotor, if you get my drift.
Is this true? Was the weapon he used this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Five-seveN_USG.jpg
If that is the case, he was definitely a calculating terrorist. This is not a common weapon anyone would purchase or own, let alone a MD in the Army. I was a MD in the military, and none of use owned handguns like this. This is a very special weapon, not just the sort of weapon you would just happen to be your first purchase to protect your home being a MD on a Military Base. This guy had an agenda, and intended to kill.
Anyone thinking he is a victim is way out in left field. What a bunch of crapola! If Klinger on M*A*S*H tried to get kicked out of the Amy by trying to fool the psychiatrists, you would have thought this guy could have gotten out at any time: he was a psychiatrist himself, fully capable of understanding the ingredients and recipes (signs and symptoms) to have another doctor truly believe that he wanted out of the Army.
This fact that this guy waited this long to do what he did, and the fact that he had to re-load to shoot as many people as he did, and the fact that he performed this act where he did it, is proof purchase that he planned this. He thought of himself as a suicide killer, a terrorist killer, screaming to his Muslim God as he murdered American soldiers. And people think he is the victim?...??? Get a clue!
Now, we’ll have to deal with the endless construction of special programs to interview soldiers of foreign ancestry to see if they are on the edge of sanity. And to think, that these tests and analysis measures will be monitored by psychiatrists like this terrorist who, in the end, only wanted to kill US American soldiers. If he really wanted to get out, he could have. While I was a MD in the military, I witnessed several MD’s claiming they could not take the military way of life, and each brought suits against the military and all got out; conveniently after they had their training paid for by the very institution they claimed they could not live with. But they all were successful in getting out. The military does not desire to waste time with MD’s who are a waste of time, effort, and moral. So, the fact that this guy was still in the Army, and then decided to murder American Soldiers, is in my book, makes him a terrorist. This guy is about as much as a victim as Hitler being a victim of the Nazi’s SS.
I think that American soldiers are going to have to sleep with the eyes open now, if they are around middle eastern soldiers, and this is probably this guys ultimate goal, he probably really understood the ultimate terror to inflict upon American soldiers, making them distrust anyone around them who did no grow up on Main Street USA. If you ask me, I think this guy, put together the ultimate terrorist activity to inflict the greatest harm on American soil, exactly because he was a psychiatrist, fully capable of understanding the way the human mind works, and fully understanding of the horrible effect it would have for years to come in the US military. You cannot argue that this guy was the victim. Today, the US military way of life, it’s very core is the victim. The institution designed to keep us safe, to defend and protect the United States, it’s citizens, and it’s government, all are the victim today. Anytime somebody performs a terrorist act on American soil, means that we lose our freedom, our liberty, and our way of life.
That is terrible to think of, and that is terrorism. Anything less is sticking your head in the sand.
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