Posted on 11/24/2009 1:46:39 PM PST by Steelfish
Oh you should, you shoud!
I’m familiar enough with it.
For those looking for a lesson in hypocrisy and a laugh, I suggest perusing it.
I’m not sure I would refer to word selection as an element of grammar. For example, if one were to say “I believe that Catholics are Christians” when one meant to say “I believe that Catholics are people”, the misstep would not be a grammatical one.
I know that you don’t agree with the first sample in the paragraph above, but do you at least buy into the second?
Not enough bandwidth on this thread, BTW.
I have read a few, have one for myself and my wife, but I don't think the paper would hold up very well in a stew...
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(It’s right there in them ‘scriptures’ - D&D 132:63)
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Dungeons and Dragons is scripture now? Wow things have changed since I was LDS. lol.
I always wondered how long “celestial gestation” was. 9months? Or do we get a break?
It depends on your dice throw, the spells you have purchased and if you are facing a troll or not...
You did say D&D and not LDS right?
They are in the genre but the games are somewhat different...
It depends on your dice throw, the spells you have purchased and if you are facing a troll or not...
You did say D&D and not LDS right?
They are in the same genre of fantasy and fiction but the games are somewhat different...
Melian: And how do you reconcile your view with the example of Christ who ate with sinners, consorted with known prostitutes, and invited reviled tax collectors to be part of His closest friends?
Me: HUH? I am not advocating a “holy huddle” mentality. Christ ate with what the Pharisees considered “sinners”, when in reality they were either followers or interested in Jesus’ message, it is called EVANGELISM. I have been chastised by people (ironically often LDS) because I have worked/ministered to the “less desirable” of society (homeless, prisoners, etc).
And there is a HUGE difference between “eating with sinners” and wishing them “God Speed” or “God Bless you”. I have the LDS missionaries over for dinner, but there are ground rules, since they are not my brothers in Christ, they are not allowed to pray in my house, nor are they allowed to teach. I feed them dinner, mostly to have a captive audience. My caution was against you wishing an Non-Christian “God Bless You”. That goes against scripture.
Melian: Notice in your passage that it says one must ABIDE in the doctrine of Christ. That implies actively living out the Gospel daily in your life.
Me: We must abide in Christ, but you have it backwards. We don’t actively live out our faith IN ORDER to “abide in Christ”. We actively live out our faith BECAUSE we “abide in Christ”. There is a difference there.
Melian:We can rebuke (reprove sharply) when absolutely necessary, we can admonish (express warning or disapproval, especially in a gentle, earnest, or solicitous manner), or we can condemn.
Due to the sheer number of Scripture quotes I can find about loving our neighbor and treating him with dignity and respect, and those about avoiding the temptation to feel we are better than others, I feel that indicates Christ would rather we admonish.
Me: I agree, and I am the last person to say “I am better than you”. I am actually more in agreement with Paul “the Chiefest of sinners”. But I am covered by the precious blood of Christ, and my sins are forgiven, past present and future. That does not give me license to sin or arrogance, the knowledge instead brings me to my knees before the Lord of Lords and King of Kings in gratitude and humility.
One persons “admonition” or reproof, is another’s condemnation. I don’t believe in a watered down version of the Gospel or a “can’t we all just get along”. Lives are at stake.
I seriously, VERY seriously, weep when one of my older LDS friends die believing that Joseph Smith and his false gospel will get them to Heaven, There are no ‘second chances’ after this life and there is no way that the LDS church teaches a saving faith in Jesus Christ. I know, I was one for many years. And God saved me out of it, that is exactly why I am so passionate about this.
Time is short and there are many, many lost souls out there.
And how do you reconcile your view with the example of Christ who ate with sinners, consorted with known prostitutes, and invited reviled tax collectors to be part of His closest friends?
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What reconcile? We are ALL, all of us, sinners and worthy of revile. Yet Christ invites us to His side, through faith in Him.
I don’t judge other people b/c of past or present sins, we all sin, every day. If someone is truly a Christian by their faith and belief (and the LDS are NOT - again I speak from experience), then they will ask God for forgiveness and God will deal with it.
This isn’t about sin with the LDS, although they do not believe they are sinners, is more of a “misstep” or “missing the mark”, and that they can perfect themselves rather than have God perfect us. This is about a religion that will not only not get them to Heaven to become Gods, but will bring down the wrath of God upon them for blasphemy. And their doctrines ARE blasphemy, according to the Holy Word.
I would never want to judge another soul.
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Yet you have. Your “admonition” came across as judgmental, probably in much the same way you saw our “correction” to be condemnation.
And in case I missed an earlier response to the question:
Do you believe the LDS are Christians? Based upon their theology, not outward appearances.
I will admit it is difficult not to belittle or make fun of LDS beliefs and teachings.
Some, like becoming a God, or God had sex with THE VIGRIN Mary to conceive Jesus, Jesus’ blood cannot cover all sins like murder and breaking temple oaths), Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers ( are just so blasphemous that it gets our blood boiling.
Others, especially the ones taught by their early prophets are just laughable, such as there are men on the moon who dress like Quakers and that vegetables have a pre-existance (also know as the “veggie spirit doctrine”, or the motions associated with oaths in the LDS temples.
Eph 2:8&9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.
Salvation is by faith in Christ alone. It is not of works. If salvation could be gained through some other means, be it good deeds, baptism, last rites, whatever, Christ would not have needed to die.
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Yep. Bingo! Christ paid too high of price for us to think we could add anything to it. And the idea that we can, in any way, earn our salvation implies that we are worthy of being a sacrifice rather than just a sinner in need of Grace.
I have never stewed in a will before.
I have read a few, have one for myself and my wife, but I don’t think the paper would hold up very well in a stew...
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I would not expect the natural man to know the differents between thy will be done oh Lord, not my will!
So many here are doing their own way in stead of following the Lord commandment To Love One Another it is not a suggestion.
Still the same I see ... Resty, it would not be the loving thing to do to let someone insult the Salvation in Jesus Christ alone, with the faux salvation through Joe Smith. But then you cannot acknowledge that so we get the same mantra from you, over and over again.
Loving people isn’t telling them what they want to hear.
It isn’t telling them that they’re OK when what they believe is contrary to what God has revealed in the Bible.
Loving them is telling them the truth as God revealed in in the Bible.
The Bible warns against false teaching and those who preach *another gospel*. If someone comes along and preaches a Christ different than the one presented in the Bible, or a different way of salvation than the Christ of the Bible, then they are wrong and it is not unloving to warn people who are being deceived by that false teaching of that fact and the consequences they face if they continue in that teaching.
Jesus is God Himself, come to earth in human form, born of a VIRGIN. He is not a separate being. He is not the half-brother of Satan. His death is all that is needed for our salvation, alone, not after trying all we can because nothing we can do can earn us any more love from God than we already have.
Our salvation is a gift and cannot be earned or deserved. Forgiveness is a gift that cannot be earned or deserved and the only way to be right with God is for Him to forgive you. Your own works, which are as filthy rags in His sight, don’t help one iota.
Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
Resty, we have been over this before. We tell you the truth because we love you. Tough love is still love.
And we do pray for your soul to repent. At least I do, every night at that.
Christ was contentious, remember the cleansing of the Temple (that is in the Bible, not the BOM).
And the peace in my soul is because of Jesus Christ and Him alone, not my works. That is real peace.
BTW, did you miss me? I missed you. (HUGS)
Hey Resty! Long time, no talk. How you been feeling?
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