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Mac sales projected to grow 26% in 2010, outpacing PC market
AppleInsider ^ | Thursday, December 3, 2009 | Neil Hughes

Posted on 12/03/2009 11:54:11 AM PST by Star Traveler

Mac sales projected to grow 26% in 2010, outpacing PC market

By Neil Hughes
Published: December 3, 2009 - 09:20 AM EST

Apple is predicted to continue its gains on the rest of the PC market in 2010, with Mac sales projected to grow by 26 percent while the industry is forecast to see a 16 percent year-over-year increase.

If the predictions of Robert Cihra, analyst with Caris & Company, prove true, it would give Apple a total 4 percent market share for the 2010 calendar year. Cihra goes into great detail on his analysis in a note issued to investors Thursday morning. Due to Apple controlling its own product cycles, as well as pricing, he believes Mac units will grow at a rate of 1.6 times faster than the entire PC market. On average, the Mac has outpaced the PC market as a whole by 1.8 times over the last 12 quarters.

With just a 4 percent projected total market share in 2010, the Mac still has "considerable headroom" for gains, Cihra said. He believes the company is still the single-best stock investors can buy in the PC market.

"As the most (in fact only) innovative, highest-value (hardware+software) and profitable PC vendor, we estimate Apple having earned a Mac [average selling price] of $1,289 in CY09, down 10% [year over year] but still representing a premium of 1.8x vs. its Wintel peers," the report said. "Even more meaningful, we estimate Apple Macs generating a gross profit-per-unit of nearly $340, which is 2-3x our estimate for its peers, keeping us focused on AAPL as the single best PC market investment."

Caris & Company reiterated its recommendation to buy AAPL stock, and has maintained a price target of $260.

The report also noted a "brutal" erosion of the PC average selling price in 2009, dropping an estimated 16 percent year over year. Portable machines alone were said to have dropped more than 20 percent in price, driven by the popularity of low-cost netbooks.

In this respect, major PC manufacturers like HP are finally catching up with a trend originally achieved by Apple way back in the second quarter of 2007: notebook prices are dropping below desktop prices, as portable machines have become the new "mainstream" PC. Cihra said the first quarter of 2009 was the first time that HP's notebook average selling price dropped below that of its desktops, nearly two years after they had flipped for Apple.

Cihra expects the overall PC market to increase between 15 and 20 percent in 2010, with his current forecast at 16 percent. The report said that signs of turnaround in the PC market are showing, though the economy remains the wildcard in forecasting PC sales for next year.

In September, Apple again significantly outpaced the rest of the PC market, growing 16.4 percent globally year over year, while the market as a whole grew 2.3 percent. Due to Apple's premium-priced products, the company has a worldwide revenue share of about 10 percent, while its market share hovers just north of 4 percent.

Apple has been projected to sell 2.9 million Macs for the final, fourth quarter of 2009. The company's September 2009 quarter proved to be its best ever, with sales of 3 million Macs helping the company's profits rise more than 46 percent.


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Well, that's pretty darned good, continuing sales like that, in the middle of a Great Depression. Apple is doing real good it seems...
1 posted on 12/03/2009 11:54:11 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Swordmaker

Apple sales going “gangbusters”... :-)


2 posted on 12/03/2009 11:55:09 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

Now Apple has 4% of the market. They should have 90%. But they force the customer to buy their hardware to run their software. That keeps Bill Gates the richest man in the world.
He doesn’t care who makes the box that runs his software.
Steve Job is like a liberal. He keeps doing what doesn’t work.


3 posted on 12/03/2009 12:02:14 PM PST by Mr. Right Now
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To: Star Traveler

if everyone has a Mac, what will the Star Bellied Sneetches do to feel smug?


4 posted on 12/03/2009 12:04:18 PM PST by MNDude (The Republican Congress Economy--1995-2007)
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To: Star Traveler

Hold on! They’re talking “projected growth”...


5 posted on 12/03/2009 12:04:47 PM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Star Traveler

Also, I’m not entirely clear about this report, but I read another report saying that Apple’s income from sales was up more than Microsoft.

One basic reason for that is that Mac computers are a LOT more expensive for what you get. PC prices drop, but Mac prices don’t. Yes, you get more for a buck than you did ten years ago with both systems, but Apple continues to be much more expensive for what you get.


6 posted on 12/03/2009 12:05:46 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Mr. Right Now
You were saying ...

Now Apple has 4% of the market. They should have 90%.

Actually, it's about 9-10% of the U.S. market. It's been growing fairly dramatically.

In fact, Apple reported (Steve Jobs did...) that the sales of Macintosh in the Apple Stores is more than 50% of the sales being to new Macintosh users (having used Windows PCs before their purchase of Macintosh).

Besides that kind of "movement" for the general population, I'm seeing a lot of hard-core computer geeks going over to the Macintosh. The reason why is that they can run Mac OS X, Windows and Linus, all on the Macintosh hardware... :-)

In addition to that, Apple Macintosh is run virtually 100% of the software out on the market (maybe a very few exceptions that I don't know about.. :-) ...). In fact, many users like it that they can run their Windows software, right on the same desktop that is running Mac OS X and all the Macintosh applications. You can't even tell that the Macintosh hardware is ... LOL...

And it's much better to be at 10% of the market and have lots of growth left to go to 90% -- rather than -- being at 90% and nowhere to go but down, down and down -- like Microsoft is doing... :-)

7 posted on 12/03/2009 12:14:42 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Dixie Yooper
You were saying ...

Hold on! They’re talking “projected growth”...

It's the same thing that has been happening for a number of years in the "historical growth" for Apple... so it's a "no-brainer"... LOL...

8 posted on 12/03/2009 12:16:19 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

So the idle rich and their college-age children continue to have more money than sense. Good for them, and Apple, for making their fashion-driven status purchases.

At this rate, Apple will have a majority of the market in, what, 2109?


9 posted on 12/03/2009 12:16:39 PM PST by j-damn
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To: Cicero; Swordmaker
You were saying ...

Yes, you get more for a buck than you did ten years ago with both systems, but Apple continues to be much more expensive for what you get.

Well, as it turns out, when you actually look at it, that's not true. When you compare the systems together, same thing for same thing -- they're not more expensive...

I'll leave it to Swordmaker to provide those details on those comparisons, as he's done that several times in the past. I've seen the details, but I just don't have them at my fingertips like Swordmaker does... :-)

Give him time to notice this ping, and I'm sure he'll post it here for you...

Thanks Swordmaker...

10 posted on 12/03/2009 12:19:10 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

If apple created a product like psystars Rebel EFI, and sold it for a premeium ($100) to allow installation of snow leopard, they would eliminate windows within 2-3 years. And sell more of thier “premium” systems than ever.


11 posted on 12/03/2009 12:20:36 PM PST by D Rider
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To: MNDude
You were saying ...

if everyone has a Mac...

Well, the nice thing about being in the 10%-of-the-market category for computers, the Apple Macintosh has a lot of room for growth. That's a lot better than the Windows operating system, which has nowhere to go but down, down and down... LOL...

And for Apple Macintosh, they've been growing steadily right along and picking up new Windows users all the time, who are sick and tired of the old crap that they've been dealing with over the years.

No worry about "everyone having a Mac" right now... that's coming in the future... There's still time to grow and that's good; that gives Apple plenty of potential for the future, a very good thing for Apple Macintosh users...

12 posted on 12/03/2009 12:22:44 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
The habit of pumping up projected growth numbers is been going on in most companys for a long time. The last thing you want to do is interject common sence into a board meeting when everyone else there is blowing sunshine up the CEO’s A$$.
13 posted on 12/03/2009 12:23:43 PM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: D Rider
You were saying ...

If apple created a product like psystars Rebel EFI, and sold it for a premeium ($100) to allow installation of snow leopard, they would eliminate windows within 2-3 years. And sell more of thier “premium” systems than ever.

You're not talking about a sales model that Apple will ever use. Their sales model is based upon integrating hardware and software, with hardware being the core of the business. The software is there to sell the hardware.

Now, many people may think it's all in the software, but Apple thinks that it's "in the hardware" with the software giving that "value" to the hardware. That's the way Apple thinks about it and that's how their entire "sales model" is configured.

You can get that information from many different interviews from Steve Jobs. He's the driving force and has been for a long time, and you won't see that changing, no matter what other people think.

And since Apple is quite successful and growing dramatically at the present time, no one is going to be asking for a different sales model for Apple... :-)

14 posted on 12/03/2009 12:26:36 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

Well Apple will continue to go up as long as Jobs is around. But with his history of pancreatic cancer and recent liver transplant, that isn’t probably not a long time. So all you need to do is time the sale just right. I say buy low, sell high.

Apple is pulling in the high end of the market which isn’t 100% of the market. Apple equipment costs double PC with similar specs. As long as they can keep coming up with equipment outside of desktops/laptops (like iPhone) they will do well. Of course to come up with those ideas you need someone like Jobs. There is no #2 close.


15 posted on 12/03/2009 12:28:16 PM PST by coaltrain
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To: Dixie Yooper
You were saying ...

The habit of pumping up projected growth numbers is been going on in most companys for a long time. The last thing you want to do is interject common sence into a board meeting when everyone else there is blowing sunshine up the CEO’s A$$.

If you know anything about Apple, you'll also know that Apple has a long-term habit, in the past all the way up to now... of blowing past projections and doing better than anyone predicts... :-)

What you say may be true of a lot of corporations, but Apple actually does it... over and over again, in blowing past all predictions.

That's why they're the darling of Wall Street...

16 posted on 12/03/2009 12:29:39 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: coaltrain

well, sure, overall profit is probably higher, but overall sales is the big number.

Why on earth does apple bar people from using their own hardware? I would never buy apple just because of that.


17 posted on 12/03/2009 12:31:06 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: coaltrain; Swordmaker
You were saying ...

Apple equipment costs double PC with similar specs.

See post #10... someone will be coming along with the figures to show you that you're operating under a false perception of the situation... :-)

18 posted on 12/03/2009 12:31:37 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: BenKenobi
You were saying ...

Why on earth does apple bar people from using their own hardware? I would never buy apple just because of that.

Ummm..., you may not know this... but Apple "sells hardware" and they use software to supplement the hardware at either give-away prices or for free... :-)

So, with Apple being a "hardware company" it doesn't make any logical sense to have their software support another company's hardware... LOL...

19 posted on 12/03/2009 12:34:29 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

That should read

“why does apple bar people from using other people’s hardware”.

DOH!


20 posted on 12/03/2009 12:35:36 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: BenKenobi

I understood what you were talking about anyway, but I do hope you understand what I’m talking about when I say that Apple is a “hardware” company (i.e., that’s their “business model”) and thus it makes absolutely no sense for Apple to “support” another company’s hardware... LOL...


21 posted on 12/03/2009 12:38:04 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

Yes, I understand their business model. I think it’s a poor model. They would do better selling just the software.


22 posted on 12/03/2009 12:40:37 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: coaltrain
You were saying ...

But with his history of pancreatic cancer and recent liver transplant, that isn’t probably not a long time.

Well, Jobs was a "two time dead person"... and yet he's still here... :-)

That pancreatic cancer was cured a number of years ago. He had a rare form of it which happened to be highly treatable and he was cured.

Then he had a needed liver transplant, dodging the bullet again.

Both were taken care of and successful.

What can I say... "Jobs is magic..." :-)

23 posted on 12/03/2009 12:42:58 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: BenKenobi
You were saying ...

Yes, I understand their business model. I think it’s a poor model. They would do better selling just the software.

Well, I'm glad you do understand that business model. That's good because there are a lot of people who don't understand it and they need to -- in order to understand Apple.

BUT, having said that -- with Apple being as wildly successful as it has been over the last decade and more, and with billions in the bank and no debt -- I don't think Apple is going to listen to "another business model"... LOL...

24 posted on 12/03/2009 12:45:16 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
That's good news! I love my mac!
25 posted on 12/03/2009 1:01:40 PM PST by Dogbert41
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To: Dogbert41

Is that a new piece of software... ? LOL...


26 posted on 12/03/2009 1:02:46 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
You're not talking about a sales model that Apple will ever use ...

I know you are correct about that. My point was that they could use the software as a lead into their hardware. And yes, I agree, Apple will never take advantage of this opportunity, and will thus be relegated to a minor share of the market, forever and ever and ever...

That underdog image is what seems to float their boat.

27 posted on 12/03/2009 1:05:12 PM PST by D Rider
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To: D Rider
You were saying ...

... and will thus be relegated to a minor share of the market, forever and ever and ever...

Well..., that's an interesting thing to say to a company that has been gaining market share steadily for the last decade and is wildly successful and has billions of dollars in the bank and has no debt... LOL...

28 posted on 12/03/2009 1:07:48 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
Well..., that's an interesting thing to say to a company that has been gaining market share steadily for the last decade and is wildly successful and has billions of dollars in the bank and has no debt... LOL...

If windows dies tomorrow, the Open source hardware will still beat apple with one or many of the Linux variants. And if the world re-centers on a Linux variant, so will the application software. As much as I love my mac, I work on a cr^ppy ol' PC.

29 posted on 12/03/2009 1:14:23 PM PST by D Rider
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To: j-damn
You were saying ...

At this rate, Apple will have a majority of the market in, what, 2109?

Well, I think they had a doubling in a decade. And they are holding with that growth... So, if you figured a doubling in a decade, you would come up with a majority of the market in just a big over two decades...

And that's a much better position to be in, in that you've got the room to grow and the company has been demonstrating that kind of continued growth for over the last decade.

That's much better than the Windows operating system, being "maxed out" and having nowhere to go but down, down and down... :-)

"Slow and steady as she goes..."

30 posted on 12/03/2009 1:15:54 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: D Rider
You were saying ...

If windows dies tomorrow, the Open source hardware will still beat apple with one or many of the Linux variants.

You don't know the average consumer then... :-)

31 posted on 12/03/2009 1:17:32 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
You don't know the average consumer then... :-)

I do know people hate being tied to a sole source supplier. Which is a big reason people hate Microsoft.

32 posted on 12/03/2009 1:26:53 PM PST by D Rider
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To: Star Traveler

PC’s have 92% of the market. Macs have 5%. So if these projections pan out then mac will be no higher than 7%. Not exactly as great as they make it sound.


33 posted on 12/03/2009 1:33:46 PM PST by Revel
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To: D Rider
You were saying ...

I do know people hate being tied to a sole source supplier. Which is a big reason people hate Microsoft.

Well consumers buy Ford and only Ford makes Ford... :-)

The only problem there is that other car makers make their own cars, too... ooops...

I suppose if someone didn't like Apple Hardware, they could go to Dell, or HP and buy theirs. The only problem with that is that Dell doesn't make HP and HP doesn't make Dell... LOL...

The bottom line is that people are buying Apple Macintosh because they like Apple Macintosh and it works well for them. If they liked HP, they would go there. If they liked Dell, they would go there. So, it's no big deal.

As long as Apple produces the quality computers and other products they make and continues to be wildly successful, with billions of dollars in the bank and no debt -- I don't see what the problem is.

I mean, if someone doesn't want to buy Apple, who is making them? :-)

The fact is, people are buying Apple not because anyone is making them, but because they've found a good product with excellent customer service (the best in the business for that industry) having quality hardware and software.

As long as Apple is bringing in more and more customers all the time, I say that's great...

34 posted on 12/03/2009 1:35:46 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Revel

Actually the numbers here in the United States is more like 9-10% and growing... they’ve been growing for the last decade and have not slowed down. More than half the sales of Macintosh in the Apple Stores are to previous PC owners switching over to the Mac... so that’s very good news for Apple... :-)


35 posted on 12/03/2009 1:37:27 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
I suppose if someone didn't like Apple Hardware, they could go to Dell, or HP and buy theirs. The only problem with that is that Dell doesn't make HP and HP doesn't make Dell... LOL...

That misses the point. You seem like some that likes to color outside the lines.

36 posted on 12/03/2009 1:41:02 PM PST by D Rider
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To: D Rider
You were saying ...

That misses the point. You seem like some that likes to color outside the lines.

Nope, that doesn't miss the point at all. The desktop computer market and/or laptop market consists of many vendors and Apple is just one of them. Apple has their business model (as mentioned already) and others have theirs.

So, a consumer can pick whatever company they like and/or want -- from the wider market for computers (and the consumers that want those machines) or according to a "business model" that a consumer prefers (but it doesn't appear that consumer care about the type of "business model" but rather, is happy with something that works and works very well).

And so, the fact of the matter is that Apple's business model is gaining consumers and expanding their market share and they show no signs of slowing down from the last decade of their expansion.

Why would Apple want to change a good thing?

37 posted on 12/03/2009 1:53:12 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

*That’s much better than the Windows operating system, being “maxed out” and having nowhere to go but down, down and down... :-)

“Slow and steady as she goes...”*

There’s no real reason to think that the trends will continue. Either way, there is a point above which Apple will not be able to increase market share and that is when they hit the wall that is large business. No way will any organization of any size want to fork over huge amounts of money to swap hardware and operating systems—the only large organizations I can think of that embrace Apple are schools, which makes little sense since they typically are cash-strapped to begin with. I’ll leave it to your imagination as to why any school would choose to run Macs rather than a vastly cheaper OS.

Apple fills their niche well, but I sincerely doubt they will ever get within sniffing distance of 50% of the market.


38 posted on 12/03/2009 2:32:59 PM PST by j-damn
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To: j-damn
You were saying ...

Apple fills their niche well, but I sincerely doubt they will ever get within sniffing distance of 50% of the market.

Oh..., I've heard those kinds of comments for years now... LOL And yet, Apple keeps growing, keeps making more money, keeps on being successful and keeps grabbing more of that marketshare...

I think it's more like there are some people who don't like Apple's success... not too much more to that story, I don't think... :-)

39 posted on 12/03/2009 2:38:24 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
And so, the fact of the matter is that Apple's business model is gaining consumers and expanding their market share and they show no signs of slowing down from the last decade of their expansion.

In many cases, their business expansion, (into the business market that is,) is based on being able to load windows on their hardware platform, and because they produce an excellent product. But we are still stuck with windows, very frustrating.

As hardware developers, I am not sure how they would be hurt by expanding the use of their operating system across platforms. They could always keep the general PC version one or more versions back, just an idea.

And yes, I know that is not thier business model.

40 posted on 12/03/2009 5:03:26 PM PST by D Rider
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To: D Rider
You were saying ...

And yes, I know that is not thier business model.

Well..., a real simple business theorem is that you "don't mess with success"... and Apple is very, very successful...

41 posted on 12/03/2009 6:07:37 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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42 posted on 12/03/2009 8:56:34 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: BenKenobi
Yes, I understand their business model. I think it’s a poor model. They would do better selling just the software.

No, they wouldn't. This has been analyzed out the kazoo many times and your conclusion is wrong. Apple's model is better.

If they were selling OEM versions of OS X at the prices that Microsoft sells OEM versions of Windows, Apple would have to sell 90 million copies every year, capturing 45% of the PC market—just to break even with the profits they are currently making selling just 10,000,000 Macs a year... not counting the profits from the iPhone and iPod sales.

43 posted on 12/03/2009 9:19:18 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: D Rider
I do know people hate being tied to a sole source supplier. Which is a big reason people hate Microsoft.

So, why do they stick with the big, sole source supplier, Microsoft???

44 posted on 12/03/2009 9:25:12 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Revel
PC’s have 92% of the market. Macs have 5%. So if these projections pan out then mac will be no higher than 7%. Not exactly as great as they make it sound.

5% is worldwide... in the US it is much higher...

45 posted on 12/03/2009 9:26:24 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Mr. Right Now

How is it not working? Isn’t profit and not market share the real goal here? They seem to be doing quite well in that department.

I don’t think a hardware company trying to sell...you know...hardware is all that strange.


46 posted on 12/03/2009 9:32:41 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: D Rider

And love their iPhones, wait, what was that? I think they hate products that make them want to beat their head against the wall.


47 posted on 12/03/2009 9:35:24 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Cicero
Apple continues to be much more expensive for what you get.

That depends on how you define "what you get."

48 posted on 12/03/2009 9:43:23 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: BenKenobi
Yes, I understand their business model. I think it’s a poor model. They would do better selling just the software.

There are a lot of people who post this, and I don't get it. In 1997, Apple's low was around $3.30 a share. Now it hovers around $200. I wish I had a poor business plan like theirs.

49 posted on 12/03/2009 9:58:54 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

I have Apple for what I don’t get. I don’t get the aggravation. Every one of these threads has people on it that claim that Mac fanbois are toooo stooooopid to understand that they could buy a Windows machine and get just as much computer for half the money. I HAD Windows machines from the runtime Windows that came with Excel 1.0 to Win2000. I still have to dick with a Windows machine at work. I KNOW WINDOWS! When it’s MY money, I get Macintosh.


50 posted on 12/03/2009 10:03:41 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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