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Texas Tech fires coach Leach
espn ^ | 12/30/09 | espn

Posted on 12/30/2009 10:27:47 AM PST by rintense

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To: cowtowney
Leach put him in a dark room because he didn’t respect the fact that James had a concussion. I assume that is why James had on dark glasses. The fact is that Leach told trainers to find a dark, isolated place and stick Adam in it.

James said he had a mild concussion and was sensitive to bright sunlight. So Leach asked him to go into a large, cool shed where he would not be exposed to bright sunlight. What's wrong with that?

81 posted on 12/30/2009 11:31:34 AM PST by behzinlea
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To: Tallguy

Yep. He was due an 800k bonus tomorrow.


82 posted on 12/30/2009 11:34:18 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Concussions are sometimes quite subtle, particularly when you have an individual who exhibits so many signs of prior brain damage.

The coach should have had this kid hospitalized ~ NOT JUST WATCHED.

One of my brothers-in-law was actually sent home from practice with a serious concussion ~ just dropped off in front of the house ~ not a word from the coach.

It wasn't until he'd eaten dinner for the third time the family became aware that there was "something wrong".

You actually can't be too careful, and even a fellow with 10 years experience as a top level coach can make a mistake with concussion. I kind of wonder about the medical personnel supporting the team too ~ certainly they must have had contact with head injury cases before?

Then there's the kid's father ~ he's got some symptoms that probably need checked out too ~ and I'd have the cops interview the player about his relationship with pop.

83 posted on 12/30/2009 11:37:40 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: CSA Rebel
threatening the kid if he leaves the room he’ll be kicked off the team, is punitive.

How is it punitive? He doesn't have a right to be on the team.

All he had to do was say, "Screw this" and walk out. He didn't. He freely chose to stand in a large, cool shed out of the sunlight while his teammates sweated and worked their tails off in the hot sun. His choice, and his choice alone.

If it was "punishment," it was punishment he freely chose.

84 posted on 12/30/2009 11:37:40 AM PST by behzinlea
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To: muawiyah
The coach should have had this kid hospitalized

Everything Leach did was done with a approval of a doctor.

Next.

85 posted on 12/30/2009 11:39:15 AM PST by behzinlea
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To: EDINVA

Since none of these guys (the players, the coaches) are physicians, they should err on the side of caution. Even if the guy lies about the color of the sky or the time of day he can still suffer from concussion ~ particularly if he’s been previously injured.


86 posted on 12/30/2009 11:42:37 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Onerom99
Not for firing “with cause” it won’t.

If that's the way a judge sees it. Given the money involved, I'm sure that Leach's attorney will take a stab at saying there wasn't any "cause" because the incident (according to what I'm hearing on this thread) was barely investigated by T-T.

87 posted on 12/30/2009 11:47:15 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: muawiyah
James was examined by a sports medicine doctor and released with the only restriction being that he not practice. Leach did NOT require James to practice.

The doctor saw NO reason to hospitalize James.

The doctor is already on record as saying nothing Leach did harmed or further jeopardized James's health to the slightest degree.

88 posted on 12/30/2009 11:48:00 AM PST by behzinlea
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To: muawiyah

I think the concussion was not on the same day muawiyah - the boy had been checked by a doctor and diagnosed with a “mild” concussion. We had several players with severe concussions this year - no one disputed the james kid had a mild concussion - the coach didn’t bully him to practice - he gave him the time out and had him watched - per doctors orders - I think adam wanted to go home and rest - but again, sleep is not what doctors tell patients to do after a concussion - even a mild one -


89 posted on 12/30/2009 11:49:46 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (I support Coach Mike Leach and think Gerald Meyers should be run out of Lubbock!)
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To: behzinlea
James said he had a mild concussion and was sensitive to bright sunlight. So Leach asked him to go into a large, cool shed where he would not be exposed to bright sunlight. What's wrong with that?

Nothing. (If that's the way it happened). I'd have probably sent a trainer in there to make sure he didn't seize of something.

90 posted on 12/30/2009 11:50:05 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: cowtowney
are you saying he didn’t have a concussion?

Don't know if he did or didn't. What I do know is that Adam James was always too injured to practice, but never too hurt to miss a game. The kid cried wolf - often. So a couple of weeks ago he strolls to practice with his designer sunglasses on and says he has a concussion - so the coach sent him to a room that was shaded and cool.

91 posted on 12/30/2009 11:50:59 AM PST by TexasNative2000 (There's a reason the oath talks about defending the country from enemies both "foreign AND domestic")
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To: starlifter

In case you missed it, there is a title at the top right of the page on this thread that says “General/Chat”. It’s not Breaking News. It’s not National Security. It’s General/Chat. Go be pompous somewhere else.


92 posted on 12/30/2009 11:54:09 AM PST by TexasNative2000 (There's a reason the oath talks about defending the country from enemies both "foreign AND domestic")
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To: Richard Kimball
You threw me with the repeated references to Jones, but I finally figured out the error. We have a couple of high schools like that in Louisiana and, being that I lived in Texas for 21 years, I hear ya.

I don't see TT's prospects at a high-quality coach that bleak. Tech has fine facilities, lots of money and alumni donors with deep pockets and influence. Tech has every potential to be a continuing powerhouse in a tough, competitive conference, IMHO.

93 posted on 12/30/2009 11:54:39 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Tallguy
I fully agree with you. Apparently so does Leach. Leach had trainer stand by for that very reason.

James is trying to spin it like the trainer was a concentration camp guard.

94 posted on 12/30/2009 11:54:42 AM PST by behzinlea
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To: TexasNative2000
I bet you have lots of info that isn't in the mainstream yet. I'm just floored that Craig James is given the 'concerned parent' treatment and not called on the carpet for what he was- a brat parent to a brat, entitled kid.

Between MSU's problems, and now TT's, this bowl will be very interesting. Seriously doubt James will see any playing time, unless the AD dictates it.

95 posted on 12/30/2009 11:55:36 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: behzinlea

I am willing to be *if* this goes to court, James will use the words ‘cruel and unusual punishment’. Watch.


96 posted on 12/30/2009 11:56:30 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: rintense

Agreed rintense - I was very proud of the MSU coach for standing by his convictions and not allowing the students in question to play. That took guts and a high moral character - few coaches have that these days. I am so sorry all of this is affecting the Bowl Game - this should be a fun time for both teams to enjoy after a year of hard work - instead it has become a media circus with a lot of upset fans. I still anticipate a lot of boos is baby boy adam steps onto the field


97 posted on 12/30/2009 11:59:18 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (I support Coach Mike Leach and think Gerald Meyers should be run out of Lubbock!)
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To: rintense

All I can say is, Adam James and his pappy don’t fit the Texas model of “no excuse” toughness that I’m familiar with.


98 posted on 12/30/2009 12:01:47 PM PST by behzinlea
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To: cowtowney
James had a minor concussion and was required to at least participate in some way just like the other injured players. Reports are that he was required to walk around the practice field. The next day he showed up with sunglasses on and said the doctor told him to wear them. Leach obliged him by finding a cool dark place for him.

Leach did nothing wrong.

99 posted on 12/30/2009 12:02:29 PM PST by FTJM
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Dantonio is a class guy. Just wish he'd learn his lesson and do a better job recruiting.

Yeah, the game should be about the kids. Not this year. I almost went to the game (I'm a MSU alum). I'm very interested to see if the players have been given a gag order by the AD to not talk about this.

100 posted on 12/30/2009 12:03:19 PM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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