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Top Home-School Texts Dismiss Darwin, Evolution
FOXNews.com ^ | Saturday, March 06, 2010 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/06/2010 4:00:10 PM PST by metmom

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Home-school mom Susan Mule wishes she hadn't taken a friend's advice and tried a textbook from a popular Christian publisher for her 10-year-old's biology lessons.

Mule's precocious daughter Elizabeth excels at science and has been studying tarantulas since she was 5. But she watched Elizabeth's excitement turn to confusion when they reached the evolution section of the book from Apologia Educational Ministries, which disputed Charles Darwin's theory.

"I thought she was going to have a coronary," Mule said of her daughter, who is now 16 and taking college courses in Houston. "She's like, 'This is not true!"'

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1 posted on 03/06/2010 4:00:11 PM PST by metmom
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To: 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; adopt4Christ; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; ...

It’s not entirely accurate to day that Abeka and BJU and others *dismiss* evolution. They do address it. They just don’t arrive at the kinds of conclusions some people like.

They’re entitled to their opinion that the books are wrong, but it makes no sense to make an issue of it like this that requires a AP article on it.

What do they think they’re going to accomplish?

Buyer beware. You should ALWAYS check out curriculum you buy before purchasing it.


2 posted on 03/06/2010 4:03:25 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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3 posted on 03/06/2010 4:04:17 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

And so what? Evolution is a ‘theory’ - far, far from being proven science!
Go ahead and flame - I’m ready!


4 posted on 03/06/2010 4:04:21 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: metmom

Ahh the beauty of homeschooling... if you do not like how a text addresses a particular topic you can use a different one.


5 posted on 03/06/2010 4:06:29 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

exactly.


6 posted on 03/06/2010 4:08:01 PM PST by Hexenhammer ( The Spirit of '76!)
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To: metmom

“I thought she was going to have a coronary,”

Same thing occurs to little mush-heads when you inform them that global warming is a hoax.


7 posted on 03/06/2010 4:08:34 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: metmom

Imagine the shock a Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Animist/Wiccan/ child gets when he opens his public school textbook and finds that he is being taught evolutionary theory as fact!


8 posted on 03/06/2010 4:11:08 PM PST by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: J Edgar

It’s interesting that this thread should have just been posted....

Theories, Facts, and ‘Denialism’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2465335/posts

“A world-class scientist on the listserv claimed in the course of an unrelated debate that gravity was a fact, not a theory. This struck me as fundamentally wrongheaded, and it still does. It is, of course, a “fact” that unsupported objects fall. What explains this observable fact is the theory of gravity. Gravity is the theory; the falling object is the fact. The theory explains the fact, but the theory never becomes a fact.

This scientist was quite adamant on the point, going so far as to assert that we inquisitive laymen on this listserv should just take his word for it, since he is an expert and we aren’t.”


9 posted on 03/06/2010 4:11:55 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Well, it’s a good thing we have precedent with governments at all levels interfering in families and personal decisions. I won’t be happy to see even more restrictions placed on homeschooling as I think the government school system should be abolished. But a government that is big enough and powerful enough to do unto the people you don’t like will get to you some day.


10 posted on 03/06/2010 4:12:01 PM PST by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing to you soon enough.)
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To: metmom
Those who don't, however, often feel isolated and frustrated from trying to find a textbook that fits their beliefs.

Boo frickin' hoo. If I only allowed my children to read books or watch movies that agreed with our worldview, I'd lose out on the majority of teaching aids!

Why not instruct them to read the book/watch the movie, then take a few minutes to talk abut the offending bit and explain why we disagree? Isn't that what homeschooling's all about, more interaction with your children? Geez...

11 posted on 03/06/2010 4:12:35 PM PST by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Try announcing from in front of the classroom that Jesus is LORD! I think they’d send in the SWAT team.

Yet they announce in the front of the classroom all the time that the Bible is not literally true. Every time they teach evolution, that is what they are teaching.

Why is the one ok and the other not?

I’ll answer my own question: There is no neutrality.


12 posted on 03/06/2010 4:13:58 PM PST by Persevero ("Our culture is far better than a retarded Islamic culture." -Geert Wilders)
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To: Marie2

Oh, but that’s just teaching them the “truth” instead of brainwashing them, dontcha know?

I mean, really, if you want them to accomplish nothing more in life than being a burger flipper at McD’s, then teach them creation instead of evolution.

Some people feel obligated to make sure our kids learn what they think the kids should instead of what the parents want.


13 posted on 03/06/2010 4:15:05 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
I mean, really, if you want them to accomplish nothing more in life than being a burger flipper at McD’s, then teach them creation instead of evolution.

If there's something that's way overrated, it's the teaching of science. If you're going to be a biologist, what you believe about the creation of life might matter.

Teaching the scientific method as a way to problem solve would be helpful to people in careers where they find themselves with problems to solve or new things to learn often. Not so much for learning the results of experiments that don't have a lot of bearing on your job. Is it really important to a welder to know how the kinetics of the reaction that occurs when they cut steel with an oxy/acetylene torch? How important to your average person is it to know quantum mechanics?

I have a degree in chemistry.

14 posted on 03/06/2010 4:22:11 PM PST by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing to you soon enough.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

The beauty of homeschooling is that you teach your kids how to think, not just regurgitate statements made in books that may or may not be true.

Instead of having a coronary and running to the AP and getting all kinds of attention for being a crybaby, just discuss the issue and move on. And find some other source for your biology books.

So what if the homeschool market is dominated by Christian worldview curriculum? That’s the great thing about the free market. What are they going to try to do now? Force the Christian books distributors to print non-Christian material?

Why blame them that there’s not much out there in the way of any other choices? It’s not their fault that no one else is providing secular curriculum.


15 posted on 03/06/2010 4:22:23 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

My three children were taught organic evolution as proven truth in government schools. I taught them to question. None of them believes the theory of evolution to be the incontrovertible explanation for the presence of living matter and its incomprehensible diversity of form and function.


16 posted on 03/06/2010 4:23:34 PM PST by Elsiejay (.)
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To: metmom

This article is such a piece of garbage.

Of course many homeschool texts teach creationism. That’s why a lot of Christian people homeschool - because they don’t feel evolution is biblical, and they have alternate opinions about the science. They WANT to have texts that address biology differently.

The anti religious left is vastly insulted about it and their fabled tolerance does NOT extend to allowing people to form their own conclusions on the matter.

I teach biology to a homeschool coop and I can tell you after reading many secular texts and biblical ones, IMHO nothing tops abeka or BJU. However, because of antireligious activists some colleges won’t accept those texts for homeschoolers. So I have to “flesh out” so I can document that the kids are getting their healthy (or unhealthy) dose of evolutionary theory.

This woman is clueless. What is she doing homeschooling if she isn’t even checking the curriculum out?


17 posted on 03/06/2010 4:24:56 PM PST by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: MichiganConservative

I think that learning the scientific method is essential to being able to understand and do science.

Requiring adherence to the latest scientific consensus only stifles learning and the ability to think that makes the application of the scientific method a useful tool to use.


18 posted on 03/06/2010 4:25:00 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Global warming is true.

And the world is flat.

All intellectuals know this as FACT.


19 posted on 03/06/2010 4:25:58 PM PST by OldArmy52 (Christmas 2009: Democrats give us Obama Cr*pCare, the t*rd that keeps on stinking.)
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To: metmom
LOL! Every burger-flipper in the nation was "educated" at our fine Marxist schools with a heaping-helping of evolution and old-earth drivel being dumped upon them every step of the way. What do you think the creationists who can afford to be single-income families (who pay for public schools they don't use while providing their own materials) do for a living? Pick rags?

You're not just stupid, you're willfully stupid.

20 posted on 03/06/2010 4:27:04 PM PST by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: metmom
The beauty of homeschooling is that you teach your kids how to think, not just regurgitate statements made in books that may or may not be true.

Worth repeating! If your opinions won't stand up to a little questioning, why have them? I plan to teach my kids about evolution, but it will be as a theory; and I'm going to present them with the arguments against it as well. If they're not able to deal with that, then I'll know I have failed horribly.

21 posted on 03/06/2010 4:28:16 PM PST by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: metmom
"Polly Brown said her son would gladly take college courses that include evolution, and he'll be able to provide the expected answers even though he disagrees. 'He probably knows it better than the kids who have been taught evolution all through public school," Polly Brown said. "But that is in order for him to understand both sides of that argument because he will face it throughout his higher education.' "

Heaven help him if he takes the blinders off of his fellow students!

22 posted on 03/06/2010 4:29:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: J Edgar

The only flame I have for you is your statement that evolution is a theory. It’s not a theory. It’s an hypothesis: a guess. A guess that requires more faith than Christianity.


23 posted on 03/06/2010 4:32:47 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: I still care

I didn’t use BJU for science, I used Abeka, and my daughter had a fine understanding of the ToE.

They present it correctly and explain why they reject it.

She took the NYS Biology regents and got all the questions on the evolution section of the exam correct except one, all based on what Abeka taught.

What’s ironic, is that Christian schools across the country use Abeka for science education and they have to have their students pass whatever is given for year end exams in the subject. Abeka NEEDS to present it correctly so that these kids can pass.

The problem is, is that to the scientist/evolutionist way of thinking, if you don’t accept the ToE as fact, that means that you don’t understand it.

If you really understood it, you’d find the evidence for it so overwhelmingly convincing that you’d have no choice but to accept it.

It’s simply inconceivable to them that someone could understand ToE as explained and still reject it as an adequate explanation of how life arose on the earth.


24 posted on 03/06/2010 4:33:04 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Your statement is unworthy. I know many people with doctorates in the sciences (like me) who do not believe in evolutionary theory. In fact, some of the more brilliant people I know are creationists.

Unlike public school texts, most Christian biology texts not only teach the creationist side of the argument, but also touch strongly on evolution, because the writers are aware the children will be attacked from every direction once they go on. My students are thoughtful and investigative in these matters. They are certainly not burger flippers.

In fact, I have several doing their doctorates now at Ivy League and equivalent universities.


25 posted on 03/06/2010 4:34:10 PM PST by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: OldArmy52
"And the world is flat."

The amusing thing about all the 'flat world' comments is that the idea of belief in a flat world was born in 1833!

there is not a shred of evidence that any of the ancients ever held such a belief. (which is logical, since anyone that has ever stood on a mountain, or looked over the ocean can plainly see that we live on a sphere)

26 posted on 03/06/2010 4:34:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: metmom

Doing science is overrated as well. An undergraduate education in science is helpful if you’re of sufficient aptitude for it and if you’re headed towards a career that could benefit from a rigorous curriculum of chemistry of physics. (Biology: not so much rigor.) If you want a job where you can do interesting things that people care about and don’t have to live on the public dole, become an engineer.


27 posted on 03/06/2010 4:36:23 PM PST by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing to you soon enough.)
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To: I still care

I think that you may have misunderstood MM’s post.


28 posted on 03/06/2010 4:37:30 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Anti-Utopian
Every burger-flipper in the nation was "educated" at our fine Marxist schools with a heaping-helping of evolution and old-earth drivel being dumped upon them every step of the way. What do you think the creationists who can afford to be single-income families (who pay for public schools they don't use while providing their own materials) do for a living? Pick rags?

LOL! That little detail seems to regularly escape the attention of the evo crowd.

29 posted on 03/06/2010 4:37:41 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Perhaps Mrs. Mule should do something homeschoolers often refer to as research. Then again, who could possible imagine that a company called Apologia Educational Ministries would possibly find the creating story in the Bible to be credible?
30 posted on 03/06/2010 4:37:57 PM PST by FourPeas (servantscenter.org -- Jesus' hands and feet on the streets serving those in need)
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To: I still care

You haven’t frequented the crevo threads on FR much, have you?


31 posted on 03/06/2010 4:38:32 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MichiganConservative

Even if you go into science, the ToE is not necessary unless you are going into a biological field that requires it.


32 posted on 03/06/2010 4:39:50 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: editor-surveyor

there is not a shred of evidence that any of the ancients ever held such a belief”

But there is plenty of evidence that they believed that the world is a sphere, and they had a good approximation of the circumference.


33 posted on 03/06/2010 4:39:59 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: MichiganConservative
" If you want a job where you can do interesting things that people care about and don’t have to live on the public dole, become an engineer."

But they still call us itiots!

I think that the lion's share of freepers are in some engineering discipline.

34 posted on 03/06/2010 4:40:25 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: achilles2000

That is an undeniable fact!


35 posted on 03/06/2010 4:41:21 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: metmom

Abeka’s a good book. Very heavy into plant and animal life.

I use the BJU, although I do find it a little heavy handed in the religious dept, because I love the way it is outlined so clearly and it also has the best diagrams. It had diagrams that I wished I had had when I was in school.

A third consideration is it is slightly cheaper, very important right now.

There is a whole chapter on evolution which I approach by assigning oral topics to the kids. Then they give a speech in front of their class on each topic, and do debates pro and anti evolution. By the time we finish they have formed their own opinions, and are ready to do more reading on their own - the only way to really learn.

Oh, how the left hates independent thinkers.


36 posted on 03/06/2010 4:41:48 PM PST by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: metmom

“I mean, really, if you want them to accomplish nothing more in life than being a burger flipper at McD’s, then teach them creation instead of evolution.”

The most productive, successful people that I know, all of whom have net worths of 7 figures and at least one of whom has a net worth of 9 figures (a graduate of MIT) are all Christians who would scoff at the idea that man came from a single cell organism through random acts of chance - not just because of their faith - but because of the sheer mathematical impossibility.

I know dozens of home schooled kids, including my third daughter, and none of them are flipping burgers. In fact, my daughter who was home schooled in her elementary years breezed through her public high school as the valedictorian.

Evolution as an explanation for the origin of human life is a joke and anyone who believes it probably believes in man made global warming. It’s a religion - not science.


37 posted on 03/06/2010 4:42:17 PM PST by Snowbelt Man (ideas have consequences)
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To: metmom

I agree with that. Never once did a chemistry experiment succeed or fail because of what I thought about evolution.


38 posted on 03/06/2010 4:42:29 PM PST by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing to you soon enough.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Good - just as long as it is not a “theory”


39 posted on 03/06/2010 4:42:34 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: metmom

If I misunderstood I apologize. And no, I guess I haven’t frequented them, because I don’t really understand what you mean by “crevo”.


40 posted on 03/06/2010 4:44:38 PM PST by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: editor-surveyor

It’s funny how the science fetishists around the web like to give all the credit to “science” for the millions of things that engineers or laymen invented or developed or stumbled upon accidentally.


41 posted on 03/06/2010 4:45:21 PM PST by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing to you soon enough.)
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To: metmom

Oh, I guess that is slang for creation-evolution.

Nope, you’re right, they usually get pretty rowdy. I usually don’t go in for rowdy.


42 posted on 03/06/2010 4:46:36 PM PST by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: metmom

With as much fraud and debunked hypotheses as exists in evolution, the entire thing would have been trashed years ago had it been any other discipline in science.

Well maybe not, seeing how science has been corrupted by ideological agendas over the years.


43 posted on 03/06/2010 4:50:25 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: Snowbelt Man

I have my degree in meteorology, mr. mm is an engineer, my daughter is physics major, son in engineering, and youngest daughter looking at bio, chem, or physics (hasn’t decided which branch yet)

All in the honors programs in their respective colleges.

I did McD’s to put myself through college BEFORE I became a Christian and creationist, although even in my most atheistic/agnostic days, I still had a hard time believing that the variety and complexity of life didn’t have God behind it.


44 posted on 03/06/2010 4:54:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: I still care

That was sarcastically repeating the FRevo arguments I’ve encountered over the years here.


45 posted on 03/06/2010 4:55:38 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: I still care

Crevo is shorthand for creation/evolution.

I guess you have to be on those threads to know that. Sorry.


46 posted on 03/06/2010 4:57:06 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: valkyry1

After seeing what’s happened in the AGW arena, it’s not likely that they would have been trashed.

Science today is beyond corrupted by grant money, peer review, and *consensus*.


47 posted on 03/06/2010 4:59:42 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

My Bad!


48 posted on 03/06/2010 5:00:04 PM PST by Snowbelt Man (ideas have consequences)
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To: metmom

Sorry, I didn’t realize the sarcasm.

I’m very strong on my kids being able to defend their beliefs, because once they get into higher ed classes, especially in the biological sciences, they can get turned into pretzels.

People on FR often talk about getting attacked on politics in college classes - just wait until you get into the hands of a atheist professor who is convinced that creationists are all that’s wrong with the world. Arghhh.


49 posted on 03/06/2010 5:01:24 PM PST by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: metmom

You know, there really isn’t anything wrong with working at McDonalds. It is honest work. More honorable than prostitution or contract killing.

If you do well and chose to, you could work your way up through the corporate structure.


50 posted on 03/06/2010 5:01:51 PM PST by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing to you soon enough.)
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