How it was done. A good old fashion stencil job transfer when heat is applied going through the printer. You know, it is the same process kids used to iron on silly designs that came in cereal boxes.
Posted on 04/30/2010 7:45:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
Don’t forget that Holder’s DOJ has moles online to sniff people out. Just cause someone claims to be exmilitary doesn’t mean they are. You shall know them by their fruits. I Know a lot of military who do not support all that is going on to destroy America.
Obama doesn’t EVER plan to leave the White House. He is working on changing the electoral system and structure now. When have you ever seen a Tyrant ever in the history of the world, removed from office peacefully or at the voting booth??? Never. I think it’s wishful thinking on your part or you don’t really understand WHO this power drunk megalomanic really is. CO
How it was done. A good old fashion stencil job transfer when heat is applied going through the printer. You know, it is the same process kids used to iron on silly designs that came in cereal boxes.
That’s what I assumed happened. Now I wonder what McCain got for doing his best to lose?
Ummm..., I’ve got it, but just as I was leaving to get some hamburgers for the family... I saw this... so I’ll post it when I get back... you’ll get it — so wait for just a little bit ... :-)
The Hawaii Dept of Health has it as a PDF. Go down to #3 and click on the second link, a press release from September 2009. The quote is
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
Some freepers think that there is some wiggle room in this; I don't see it. However, I'm always willing to hear new information on this.
I meant wiggle room as to whether he was born in Hawaii. I do see an issue with the “natural born citizen” statement, since she is not a constitutional scholar or lawyer who has credibility on this issue. That isn’t to say I’m convinced she is right or wrong, just that she has no credibility on the “natural born” part.
I wonder where the blank security paper came from?
So he’s saying McCain is ineligible too?
People wanted to know if the birth record was amended from an original content, and/or whether the current content was based on a birth record witnessed by a physician or attested to by a family member.
I don't want to believe that Hawaii officials would play semantic games like that, i.e., that his record today says... when the true facts are something else. But I also understand the pride that some may feel about a "favorite son" becoming the first president from their state, and then feeling an obligation to the state to not upset that story.
It does make me wonder why even Hawaii officials are trying hard to not be transparent about all the information they have, even going so far as to deem their own transactional data to be "private" data about someone. To me, a person's data about themselves is private, but a person's public dealings with public government departments is not "private."
-PJ
I don’t know what he’s saying, I haven’t watched them all yet. Have you?
It is the following information, presented here text (not formatted exactly the same way, but all the same words), on that PDF file, with the official State of Hawaii seal on it...
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 -- 09-063
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
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As far as addressing the issue of Obama's birthplace -- being that it's an official State of Hawaii pronouncement -- since they are the holders of the original information and since they are the ones who actually print out the "certified copy" to any court that may request it, I doubt the "certified copy" is going to show another place of birth, other than Hawaii.
LIE!
You totally blew off the admin mod's post to you in #46 and continue to do so. Just like Obama & Alcee Hastings making up the rules as they go!
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People wanted to know if the birth record was amended from an original content, and/or whether the current content was based on a birth record witnessed by a physician or attested to by a family member.
Well, I'm sure that the State of Hawaii officials kept getting hammered for requests for information and I'm sure they knew what the issues were, which were at stake here. And so, in regards to your point of what people were asking for, I think the wording of that statement was meant to be "all inclusive" -- so as to cover all possible documentation ...
Note the wording ...
... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health ...
But, as I said, this is a public statement, and not something that goes into court for what they would ask for.
When you talk to the public, you issue public statement, you don't go into court and start a "court case" in order to "address the public".
But, when you have a court case, you don't use "public statements" as proof in court cases -- you supply the official records for what the court asks for.
It's two different venues and two different ways of communicating.
Butter, if you’re around, you could post a link and/or info to refute the referenced comment, if you like!
No, he's demonstrating the story after story after story in the MSM about the McCain eligibility issue and McCain's response to it, which was to release a short-form and long-form birth certificate.
He then contrasts that with the story after story after story about the Obama eligibility issue... that is, there were no stories -- only ad hominems towards those who were raising the issue.
It isn't until the 4th video of chapter 1 that he gets to the actual COLB. The first three parts are devoted to the imbalance in reporting on McCain's eligibility vs. Obama's eligibility.
-PJ
and I’ve always been cooperative
Then you replied ...
LIE!
Here's an example of being cooperative. Jim Robinson posted in regards to the issue of the natural born status for Obama and many people responded, including me.
This is an example of being cooperative, not flaming, not calling people names and stating the case as it is. That's the kind of cooperative nature that we should have on the board. That's what is needed and not name-calling and/or accusations regarding the person ... but rather, just the issues which need to be discussed.
From ...
My post #76 ... (and you should see the respect and cooperative nature of discourse there...) ...
Anyone who has been an "honest-to-goodness FReeper" here would ever disagree with the goal of removing Obama from office. As far as I can see, that's never been the issue -- that is -- some disagreement in that some say he should not be removed from office and others saying that he should be removed.
It's always come down to the question of how? ... that's all the argument has ever been here... nothing more and nothing less.
And the issue has somewhat "divided" into two sub-categories, too. One category has been to "see the birth certificate" and the second category is his "natural born status" per his father's citizenship.
The first category has been totally unsuccesful in seeing the birth certificate (which I've asked for, prior to the election, but saw that fail). That's why I have always said that the solution for the first category is to make it a state law to require a candidate's birth certificate to be shown, or else he cannot be on the ballot. That's a "structural way" to definitely get the birth certificate out in public -- guaranteed, 100%.
However, I don't think the real issue with Obama's qualifications per the Constitution is going to be solved by seeing the birth certificate. I think all that anyone is going to see is that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his father was not a citizen of the U.S. at the time he was born.
So, that brings up the second category (of this overall issue) -- that "natural born status" of Obama, given that his father was not a U.S. citizen at the time Obama was born.
To me, that's been the "crux of the issue" all along.
And that brings me right back to the "how" question. I've said in several posts that the "how" would have to be -- some case brought before the court, in which you know either side would not "give up" and would thus "appeal" the case -- and therefore, it would be appealed all the way up to the Supreme Court, for a decision on that court case.
That's the "how" of the matter as I see it. But, I don't look at that particular "how" -- to be very comforting or reassuring or likely to succeed in getting Obama out of office. For one thing, one doesn't even know if the Supreme Court will even "hear" such a case. They should..., but one just doesn't know.
Remember, I believe that not a single person here (who is a FReeper) wants to keep Obama in office, the only real question is how to get him out of office.
I've posted recently that from my viewpoint it will take two things to get Obama out of office. One is getting that state law passed that requires a candidate to show his birth certificate or else he cannot be on the ballot in that state.
The second is to "vote him out of office" -- because I don't see a Supreme Court decision coming sooner than the next Presidential Election arrives. So, I expect to see the next Presidential Election as the next opportunity to get Obama out of office.
BUT, if someone else has some methodology to do that sooner, then they better get to working mighty fast, because the next Presidential Election is not going to be that far away. I believe "campaigning" for it -- will begin in maybe 12 months from now, with "candidates" who are undeclared (but you know they're "running") doing so right now.
No, he's demonstrating the story after story after story in the MSM about the McCain eligibility issue and McCain's response to it, which was to release a short-form and long-form birth certificate.
There are FReepers here, who maintain that John McCain is not qualified either, per the "natural born" requirement of the Constitution, and thus these FReepers say that McCain and Obama were not qualified for being President.
And, as a result of their determination, they did not vote for either McCain or Obama.
I'm not saying that I agree with that about McCain but that there are others who take up this issue on the basis of "natural born status" also included McCain in not being qualified.
ALSO, I've been told by other FReepers (in posts in the past when this came up) that John McCain never released his birth certificate to the public. I understand that he showed it to one reporter who then wrote an article regarding what he saw. And also I understand he showed it to a few Congressmen (I don't know how many, but just a few).
But, he was never required to show it in court and he definitely never produced it for the public.
There was one which was purported to be John McCain's birth certificate, on the Internet, but I was told this was fake and it definitely was not real (if you saw one on the Internet in regards to John McCain).
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