Skip to comments.Para-ordnance P12
Posted on 07/24/2010 6:55:21 PM PDT by blackbart.223
I have a Para-Ordnance P12. There are some that claim they have trouble with jams. I never had a problem with mine. Any comments?
“John Moses Browning was a genius at gun design. The fifty caliber heavy machine gun is still in use today. So is the 1911A1.”
Not to mention my Superposed over and under shotgun ....over 40 years old, almost no bluing left, shoots like a dream......
John Moses Browing should have a statue in the NAtional Mall (wouldn’t that give the Liberals fits! LOLOLOLOL)
There are frames in the USMC inventory that have had as many as 500,000 rounds fired through them...
I don’t know. At some point I would just chuck it and get another one.
I have an old P85 9mm semi-auto. Not fancy but incredibly reliable.
That only works if the bullet attains 1300 fps. Slow moving large caliber rounds can cause as much damage if not more.
I’m liking my Taurus .45 DSS. Mag holds twelve and one up the spout ... single-double. Very nice weapon. So far over 100 through it without a jam or problem. No reloads though.
“There are frames in the USMC inventory that have had as many as 500,000 rounds fired through them...
I dont know. At some point I would just chuck it and get another one.”.............
True, and I’m sure a few go that way. Still it is a testiment to, as another poster wrote, John Browning’s genius. I understand that the Marines are buying new manufacture 1911A1s on the commercial market to help fill demand within the ranks.
Really? Wonder why they teach that in bad ass school for the U.S. services, IDF and Mossad.
There is even another version called the Mozambique Drill, which is also taught, though employed rarely.
How much is that? Like $400 or so? (I am guessing. I saw one a couple of weeks ago and that is my recollection)
Besides, Hollow points are just plain better than FMJ.
LOL. I am not an arms master and don’t have G Money. So my impression would be rebuild once, maybe twice(I have done neither) and get a new one.
I have a spare barrel for the Kimber and will squire a few other parts but, My preference is to not work on these things or pay someone else to do it.
Kinda like working on cars. Did it when I was younger but now, I don’t care if I ever spin another wrench, unless I have to.
“That spring is pretty damn stiff compared to my 1911 and I like em both.”
hhmmmmm. Recoil springs are manufactured at various different spring rates for a variety of applications from very light for target loads to very strong for P++ loads....
Is your spring too stiff for what you are shooting ammo wise? Did you replace the factory spring with one stiffer for some reason?
You might invest in a selection of recoil springs after learning their proper application load wise......
Only if they expand.
Naw. The spring on Kimber is just that way.
It was my first impression when a Milpitas LEO talked my into buying one. We were at the range and he showed my his, with 4500 rounds through it.
He had never cleaned it as part of some grand experiment and had only one jam, which incidentally happened for the same reason my one jam happened.
You can only feed a bullet so many times before it become impacted and the overall length shortened as the bullet is pushed into the casing.
The Kimber is designed to shoot no matter the environment. He even dropped his pistol in the dirt, kicked it around, loaded it and emptied the mag, no problem.
I was convinced on the spot I had to have that gun and I am glad I bought it.
It just feels good, love the tritium sights and well balanced. Reacquire is pretty good and reminds me of shooting the Ruger Mark II.
My old 1911 is a 1913 date SN under 224,000 Pre-WWI,,,
Feeds like a burp-gun,,,
I wouldn’t trade it for a sack full of the new ones...
Feel pretty confident they will.
Saw the effects on clay 30 years ago and ballistic gel, at 7 or 8 yards.
Demonstrably different effects.
“Besides, Hollow points are just plain better than FMJ.”
Under Geneva Convention rules hollow point’s are outlawed for war use....and I personally obect to them in both the Law Enforcement and civilian arenas. I’m quite sure that I am in a the minority in this regards.
My thought has always been the hollow point proponet guys are the ones using marginally performing calibres (like the 9mm, ducks) in an attempt to increase first shot effectiveness.
.45 ACP did/does not have that problem in it’s original military (ball/jacketed) loading.
The key to any weapons use and effectiveness is, and has always been, PRACTICE. Shot placement is key, especially in close quarters combat where the pistol is most likely to be used.....hollow point ammo can’t make up for the rounds inheirent lack of power, nor the in expertness of the user.
Just read your post again.
The stiffness of the spring is fine, just unexpected after using a Colt. Just a difference between concepts.
Your post does make think I might consider a stiffer spring for the Colt but, as I am shooting the two Kimbers I may just leave it and continue with FMJ only.
I have no reason to make any adjustments to the Kimbers. Out of the box perfect but everyone is different.
I have a Taurus .38 from college and it’s well, an unfortunate choice these days. It was loaded with glazers, when you could get them(I don’t think they are available any more) and while I was always a fan of revolvers for reliability, I think these days it’s a matter of preference for whatever reason. Much like choosing a stick transmission over and automatic.
They are both very reliable nowadays.
“My old 1911 is a 1913 date SN under 224,000 Pre-WWI,,,”
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