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How Moral Principles Make Us Dumb
http://www.psychologytoday.com ^ | July 26, 2010 | Jeremy Sherman, Ph.D.

Posted on 07/27/2010 12:05:32 AM PDT by Maelstorm

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To: TheThinker

There’s also an obvious correlation between moral decay and loss of liberty.

2 Cor 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Psalm 119:32
I run in the path of your commands, for you have set my heart free.

Psalm 119:45
I will walk about in freedom, for I have sought out your precepts.

Galatians 5:1
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.


41 posted on 07/27/2010 5:15:00 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Maelstorm
"I can illustrate this best by example. Consider these two moral principles: Don't cling. Show commitment."

Neither of these are moral principles in themselves, they are just aspects of behavior. It is when you apply real moral principles to the acts of clinging/commitment that you have behavior which is either ethical or unethical. This Ph.D's analysis never gets off first base because of a flawed initial premise.

42 posted on 07/27/2010 5:19:48 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Maelstorm

Since when are “don’t cling” and “show commitment” moral principles? The problem seems more like self-impressed miseducated types who doubt absolute truths promoting “appropriate advice in specific circumstances” to morality.


43 posted on 07/27/2010 5:21:08 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Maelstorm

Anyone who says that “Don’t cling. Show commitment.” are moral principles is nuts, like most liberals.


44 posted on 07/27/2010 5:28:06 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (leftism: uncurable mental deterioration)
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To: Maelstorm

“Moral* principles do more harm than good.”

Hitler and his fascist leaders believed the same. Many speeches were delivered by Nazi Party members belittling morality and rational thought. Hitler used a stock phrase in a number of speeches calling for Germans to “think in blood.” He derided reasoning and urged Germans to think emotionally. Think in blood was an admonition to throw away reasoning and intellectual thought. Get rid of those two and there’s no morality, only animals hunting victims.

This idiot fascist hack is telling people to become beasts


45 posted on 07/27/2010 5:29:46 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: The Cajun

Those that can, do. Those that can’t, teach. Those that can’t teach, administrate.


46 posted on 07/27/2010 5:33:43 AM PDT by rickb308 (Muslims need to check with Native Americans & ask how that whole cowboys & indians thing worked out.)
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To: circlecity

You’re asserting your point from a (rightful) assumption of moral absolutes, that moral right and wrong exist beyond human creation and definition.

If you want to understand his point, (temporarily) suspend that assumption of objective (God defined) morality.


47 posted on 07/27/2010 5:36:48 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Maelstorm

My hat is off to you, Maelstorm. In first and said it all. Nail has met hammer.


48 posted on 07/27/2010 5:40:18 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (668, neighbor of the beast, is tagline enough)
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To: fr_freak

GMTA. That’s where I stopped also, for the same reason.

Funny thing is, my pretty neighbor hits on me too. Odd.


49 posted on 07/27/2010 5:52:03 AM PDT by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: Nervous Tick

LOL...I admit, my advisor was Ann Coulter...:)


50 posted on 07/27/2010 5:57:30 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: sergeantdave

That is because, like most liberals, he believes we not only are no better than beasts, we ARE beasts.

We can be beastly, that is certain. Your commentary was excellent, and spot on.


51 posted on 07/27/2010 6:00:08 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: MrB
"If you want to understand his point, (temporarily) suspend that assumption of objective (God defined) morality."

But to do that you must suspend all reason and attempt to argue from a position of absurdity. Once you eliminate God the concept of "morality" is meaningless and consists of nothing more than personal preference or social convenience - neither of which has any necessary claim to my allegience.

52 posted on 07/27/2010 6:11:24 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast; Maelstorm

Yep. At first, I wondered why he posted this, then I saw why.

It pissed me off reading it. To be honest, it pissed me off from this very first sentence: “Moral principles do more harm than good...”

I have said this about liberals and their message for a long time: If you understand how they speak, you don’t need to read a five page bloviating dissertation. You can often tell in the first several words exactly what they are going to say.

This has added years to my life that I otherwise would have never got back. Granted this approach had two drawbacks: It fails in about 5% of the time because the writer is clever enough not to give themselves away too quickly, and it makes one susceptible to falling for satire (See John Semmons...)

But once you recognize their patterns...it makes life easy...:)


53 posted on 07/27/2010 6:14:03 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast; Maelstorm

Yep. At first, I wondered why he posted this, then I saw why.

It pissed me off reading it. To be honest, it pissed me off from this very first sentence: “Moral principles do more harm than good...”

I have said this about liberals and their message for a long time: If you understand how they speak, you don’t need to read a five page bloviating dissertation. You can often tell in the first several words exactly what they are going to say.

This has added years to my life that I otherwise would have never got back. Granted this approach had two drawbacks: It fails in about 5% of the time because the writer is clever enough not to give themselves away too quickly, and it makes one susceptible to falling for satire (See John Semmons...)

But once you recognize their patterns...it makes life easy...:)


54 posted on 07/27/2010 6:14:03 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: circlecity
That's considered "The Ultimate Proof of Creation" -

that there IS an objective standard that everyone, including atheists, attempt to argue from, and, ironically, against the existance of such a standard.

To befuddle an atheist, make him apply his strict standard to his own argument. You can't argue that your point is "logical" or "reasonable" when you are attempting to prove that logica and reason are the result of random blind processes.

55 posted on 07/27/2010 6:16:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: fr_freak

“plus the pretty neighbor next door keeps hitting on me”
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For some strange reason that kind of thing happens less and less often lately, in fact is seems to have downright ceased! It must have something to do with global warming, or maybe it is BUSH’S FAULT.


56 posted on 07/27/2010 6:32:47 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: Maelstorm

I think the author of this piece has too many of his own moral principles cause he sure doesn’t sound very smart.


57 posted on 07/27/2010 6:36:05 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Maelstorm

“Don’t cling” is a moral principle????


58 posted on 07/27/2010 6:55:44 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (If my body dies, then let it die, but let my country live.)
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To: Maelstorm

“Moral principles do more harm than good.”

Classic college level crapola.


59 posted on 07/27/2010 7:05:20 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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To: Maelstorm
the moral principle of commitment to tradition that we should continue burning coal

What kind of ridiculous strawman is he setting up? I've never heard anyone suggest such a formulation until just a few moments ago. We should use the most efficient and practical energy sources available, it's good for humanity (and incidentally, good for the environment). "Moral principles of commitment to tradition" never at any point enter into the equation.

60 posted on 07/27/2010 8:41:24 AM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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