[lentulusgracchus]

Well, that only works if you WIN. If you win it becomes legal. When you lose it was always illegal.

Force as an argument? That's Debate 101, force is never an argument for or against anything.

No, sorry, you're dead wrong. But thanks for playing.

[allmendream]

Force is the final argument.

There is only one universal in world history.

The strong do what they will. The weak suffer what they must.

That is reality.

You want theology? No government serves but by the will of God. So if you win, God wanted you to reign, if you didn't.... well?

You want law? Victors make the law.

You want history? Victors write the history.

“History will be kind to me.” Winston Churchill said “For I intend to write it.” and he did. After he won.