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To: Ramius
Do we have to wait for every pantywaist passenger to get off the phone

Actually no. All these regulations about "electronics" are about controlling sheeple. I am annoyed by folks on cell phones, but the idea that they are some sort of threat to aviation is absurd. Even more absurd is the idea that my computer, mp3 player, conventional radio receiver, etc. are some sort of threat. It's a wonder that they don't make everyone take the batteries out of their watches.

ML/NJ

59 posted on 01/04/2011 5:41:45 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
I am annoyed by folks on cell phones, but the idea that they are some sort of threat to aviation is absurd.

Some of the airlines are still using 60's-era avionics. Cell phones, through design or damage, can emit signals "out-of-band" and right into the aviation navigation and communication bands. The older avionics aren't able to filter it out.

Even more absurd is the idea that my computer, mp3 player, conventional radio receiver, etc. are some sort of threat.

All of those devices (especially the radio receiver) have an oscillator in them, generating a signal or clock at a specific or variable frequency. If the device is not properly shielded, it can radiate in the aircraft navigation/communication bands.

Since you are inside the metal tube, all of the RF is effectively pumped into the aircraft ground.

On the surface, it's generally not an issue. The flight isn't depending on radio navigation aids, and the communication stations are at the airport and so strong that they will overpower any interference.

However, in the air, it can be an issue. It's especially important on approach to the airport. En-route, the pilots have time to recognize and remedy the interference. I've been on a flight where there was an issue and the pilot asked everyone to turn off their electronic devices. My seatmate realized that his cellphone was still on. :-(

But in the end, it's not about controlling people. It's a liability issue. The FAA makes the aircraft operator responsible for prohibiting devices that may cause interference. They are only supposed to allow electronic devices that have been tested and certified as non-interfering.

Beyond that, the FCC prohibits operation of cell-phones in flight... even by private aircraft operators that can certify them as non-interfering. The reason for this is to prevent interference with adjacent cell phone base stations. Cellular system design reuses frequencies in non-adjacent cells, under the assumption that a phone on the ground can be heard in one cell, but not the other. An airborne phone casts a much bigger "shadow", and it's fast moving.

64 posted on 01/04/2011 9:37:53 AM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: ml/nj

Well, your MP3 player would be a threat, if you had ABBA on it.


69 posted on 01/04/2011 11:03:31 AM PST by nickcarraway (You are guilty until proven innocent. And may7be not then.)
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