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To: EternalVigilance

So, if there’s no God we have no inalienable Rights?


37 posted on 02/08/2011 1:58:03 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker
So, if there’s no God we have no inalienable Rights?

Of course not. Without God there is no external standard. It's all dependent on the whim of the individual.

The result of which is that every man is a law unto himself...doing what is right in his own eyes.

Which always leads to the destruction of the rights to life, liberty and private property. Always. Without fail.

39 posted on 02/08/2011 2:21:52 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Is this a Tea Party, like the kind that happened in 1773, or the kind where they serve crumpets?)
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To: Lurker

The very word “inalienable,” or “unalienable,” as you please, implies the existence of God by the very nature of its use in connection to rights.

The word came from European property law, in which everything was owned by the sovereign, but he granted the use of it to whomever he pleased. The receiver of that loan of property had full use of it, but could not rightfully have it taken from him by any man, nor could he rightfully give it away.

The founders used that word quite deliberately, knowing full well its implications.

So, again, no, there are no unalienable rights apart from God. It’s all dependent on the rule and the whim of of men, not of the natural law, as instituted by Nature’s God.


40 posted on 02/08/2011 2:28:07 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Is this a Tea Party, like the kind that happened in 1773, or the kind where they serve crumpets?)
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So, if there’s no God we have no inalienable Rights?

Nope, you sure don't Lurker. You really have no rights at all. You only have the self-restraint of those who have power over you.

Whether those people are a gang of thugs roaming the streets looking for easy prey, or agents of a government that has realized there is no God, no evil, and no good, and can do to you whatever they wish without consequences, you have no rights. Rights are like God - invisible, imagined, and ultimately nonexistent.

This is why it's easy to mistake all atheists for Leftists: their philosophies have congruent conclusions. The only reason some atheists are not Leftists is because they haven't devoted enough thought to the matter to reach the proper conclusion.
54 posted on 02/09/2011 9:52:31 AM PST by angryoldfatman
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