Posted on 02/24/2011 11:29:08 AM PST by DJ MacWoW
The Christian rock band, Petra, has come together again with the original members: Bob Hartman, Greg X Volz, John Lawry, Louie Weaver and Mark Kelly. They have a new CD called Back to the Rock. I have it and it IS classic Petra. There are two new songs, Back to the Rock and Too Big to Fail. The others are redone and STILL GREAT.
They will be on tour but unfortunately, so far it's only a few places in the US.
Thursday June 30 Cornerstone, Chicago, Ill
Sunday July 31 Kingdom Bound, Darien Center, New York
Thursday August 4th Soulfest, Billford, New Hampshire
I don’t care about the words.
Then you condemn hymns and all other music with lyrics.
but put them to thrash or metal or had rock music,
Petra is none of those but you are too afraid to find that out.
So explain to me how wrapping up a christian message in a secular rock sounding veneer is not ‘imitating the world’ or ‘conforming to the world.’?
After all this is why you’re doing it. To reach the kids with music they like. Gotta make the christian message palatable to the rest of the world that likes ungodly forms of music. Music that makes you want to dance seductively. Music that makes you want to get violent with others.
Tell you what friend. If you listen to regular rock music without any words in it, and then listen to so-called ‘christian rock’ without the words, you can’t tell the difference. However, you listen to the music played out of your church’s hymnal, you know it’s godly music whether you hear the words or not.
And you darn well know that is true.
Petra stole riffs from Kiss’ “Heaven’s on Fire” song, in their “Seen and Not Heard” song. Many so-called christian rockers admit in interviews they were inspired to be rockers by secular bands that sing very clearly anti-christian songs.
I didn’t say Petra was thrash or punk. I am simply stating there are thrash and punk bands that also claim to be ‘christian’ but they clearly are not. Petra is a rock band that claims to be christian, but isn’t. They are just a rock band trying to convince people that you can play secular music but put some references to God in it and somehow that makes their music god-pleasing.
Just so we completely understand, please tell us all just what chord progressions are secular and which ones are Holy, blessed, Christian, nonsecular (pick your favorite descriptive...) Enlighten us also as to which metronome settings are secular, and which are Holy. (Maybe anything faster than quarter note=60 is secular, huh?) And while you're at it, maybe a listing of which instruments are blessed and which are evil... I was told once some years ago that my saxophone couldn't be sanctified because saxophones are played in (gasp) jazz bands. Is that true?
I really am curious about these things, since I wouldn't want to somehow be involved in secular music....
By the way, Martin Luther's "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God" is to the tune of an olde German bar song... does that make it EVIL?
Why have no major denominations ever included any christian rock songs into their official hymnals? Why are we not singing as congregations these god-pleasing ‘christian rock’ songs in regular church worship services?
God gave us infinite forms of expression. You are too focused on the secular to see that God created everything, including Rock and Roll, and it's the Devil that distorts it. You sir, are stuck on the Evil Ones mindset. And boy does he have a hold of you! The message is only valid if it's presented the way you think it should be. How sad. The message is in the words, not the music.
OK, I give up. Just what was this supposed to say? Just not managing to decipher the typo... ;-) Probably because my brain is old too
(I saw Petra in concert way back before a lot of the present crop of FReepers was born)
Petra predates Kiss. I've never listened to Kiss but obviously you have. Very telling.
They are just a rock band trying to convince people that you can play secular music
What makes music secular?
Again, God created all music. Your band Kiss distorted God's creation.
I'm absolutely mortified, I tell you...
People like you would have strokes and heart attacks.
I don't attend a sanctimonious edifice. I go to a much smaller church. And we SING. Make a JOYFUL noise unto the Lord. We don't sing dirges.....And you are a Michal.
Real easy. If they are dressing like the rock bands that don’t claim to be christian, or are coming right out and saying they are anti-christian, then that’s a problem. If their behavior mimics these bands on stage or in their videos, that’s a problem. If they are playing the same kind of music the secular bands are playing, that’s a problem.
If you can’t tell them apart from the world, you need to determine if they really are.
It’s not my standards, this isn’t my personal test. It’s from Scripture. Test everything to see if its from God or not. If it walks like a duck, beats a drum like a duck, hammers out hard rock chords like a duck, screeches and screams into a microphone in front of screaming fans like a duck, it’s a duck.
I’m not saying there isn’t a place for rock music, whatever genre it is shooting for. Just don’t try to pass off anything rock as ‘christian’. It just isn’t.
*ahem* It was supposed to say “sing” Scriptural music....
Because I don’t believe that ‘christian rock’ is christian, I’m in the clutches of the evil one.
That is rich.
Infinite forms of expression does not mean all those forms are god-pleasing. we also have infinite actions we could take against one another, but God’s Word clearly says that some of those actions are sinful.
You are here to tell me that every form of music we could ever come up with is god-pleasing? Even the voodoo chants and drum ritual music used in conjuring up demonic spirits? Are the satanic rock groups god-pleasing music? They are one of those infinite creative forms of music man decided to come up with. Is thrash music god-pleasing? How about Black Sabbath’s music, is that god-pleasing? Man created that music, it must be god-pleasing according to your logic.
You have no idea how hard I'm laughing.
You can't conceive that the music is only background for the message in the lyrics. It's really very funny.
And you STILL did not listen to The Road To Zion or the Coloring Song. Or Hollow Eyes. How can you discuss something that you have NO knowledge of?
Show me where God condemns certain instruments. You are still Michal.
And you STILL don't understand that the music and instruments are secondary to the lyrics. The MESSAGE is in the LYRICS and NOT the instruments.
Since when is singing traditional christian hymns sanctimonious? Since when are traditional christian hymns “dirges”? I think these statements from you tell me more about your own warped mindset than anyone else’s. I think it says you can’t handle real christian music, and the only stuff you can handle is words set to a secular music style. Anything else you consider ‘dirges’ and ‘sanctimonious’.
Thanks for explaining that. I believe everyone now knows your viewpoint much more clearly now. If it ain’t christian rock, it’s sanctimonious and dirges. Got it. Thanks for clearing it up for everyone.
Show me where I condemn any instrument, and say God says we can never use it.
If the music and instruments are secondary, why the need to use a secular music form (rock music) at all? If the words are the most important thing, then whatever style of music used should be totally unimportant.
If the musicians are aware of this, why do they only perform the songs in one style of music? They could reach so many others if they made albums across all different music styles. As christians they’d realize this and want to reach others who didn’t like one style of music but would somehow ‘respond’ to another - after all we’re not talking about making money here, we’re talking about saving souls. They certainly would not be limited to only being able to make music in just one style of music. They could do jazz, and classical, and soft rock, and pop, and rap, and country, and bluegrass, and whatever else.
Show me where God condemns certain instruments.
1 Chronicles 15:28 So all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouts, with the sounding of rams’ horns and trumpets, and of cymbals, and the playing of lyres and harps.
I don't see any pipe organs in there!
Thanks for clearing it up for everyone.
The only one sanctimoniously judging here is you. You have declared certain instruments not to be used to Praise God. He didn't. You are Michal.
1 Chronicles 15:29 As the ark of the covenant of the LORD was entering the City of David, Michal daughter of Saul watched from a window. And when she saw King David dancing and celebrating, she despised him in her heart.
I’ve heard plenty of bands that claim they are christian. Because I haven’t heard the specific songs you mention I am uniformed. How non-judgmental of you.
I can tell you the one song I have heard - the “Seen and Not Heard” song from Petra, you know, the one where they play the riff from Kiss’ “Heaven’s on Fire” song? Yup, I heard that one.
It is secular music. With a christian veneer thrown over secular music.
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