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Colt on the Outs as Defense Department Opens Bids for Combat Rifles
Fox News ^ | May 25, 2011

Posted on 05/26/2011 6:45:31 AM PDT by KeyLargo

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1 posted on 05/26/2011 6:45:37 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
"combat rifles"

As opposed to an assault rifle?

2 posted on 05/26/2011 6:47:29 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Or a battle rifle.


3 posted on 05/26/2011 6:47:51 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: KeyLargo

They will pick something Soros owns.


4 posted on 05/26/2011 6:48:32 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: KeyLargo

I’m recalling that awhile back there was an article here that said that even the Army says the M4 “sucks.”


5 posted on 05/26/2011 6:48:50 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: KeyLargo

They will pick something Soros owns.


6 posted on 05/26/2011 6:48:59 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: All

Microsoft had an issue and they realized that they weren’t in the game enough. They now have one of the largest corporate lobbying presences in DC. Lesson learned, in order to do business, you have to play sewerball in the swamps of Maryland.


7 posted on 05/26/2011 6:49:58 AM PDT by newnhdad
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To: pnh102
I’m recalling that awhile back there was an article here that said that even the Army says the M4 “sucks.”

More like 5.56NATO (.223) sucks. They need a bigger caliber with more range and knockdown power. Maybe not 7.62, but perhaps 6.5 Grendel.

8 posted on 05/26/2011 6:57:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: pnh102

even the Army says the M4 “sucks.”

Direct-gas action - fouling and heat. Known weakness of the Stoner(?) design since day zero.


9 posted on 05/26/2011 7:00:42 AM PDT by flowerplough (Obama: "Get back inside '67 borders." / Helen Thomas:"Go back to Poland and Germany!")
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To: PapaBear3625

Guys I talk to who are downrange say 5.56 brings the pain just fine. The 77gr OTM ammo is apparently well liked and received.


10 posted on 05/26/2011 7:04:27 AM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: PapaBear3625

what about the 6.8? I’d like to fire one of those someday soon.


11 posted on 05/26/2011 7:08:05 AM PDT by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: PapaBear3625

6.5 Grendel Product Overview from Hornady®

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC9hjqsIIY4


12 posted on 05/26/2011 7:12:07 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

The headline is interesting. It states that Colt is ‘on the outs’, implying they are ‘in trouble’ with the DoD, but the story does not explain what, if anything, they did wrong. Based on what I can find on-line it appears Colt’s current contract for M4s is set to expire some time in 2013 and the DoD wants to have a ‘new’ combat rifle ready for production by the time that happens.

Is it really all that unusual for the military to seek a successor to the M4 after almost 20 years in production? And is it really all the surprising that Colt might want a piece of the action (hence the lobbyist)?

It certainly does not appear that the DoD is terminating Colt’s current contract early or anything like that, so I am not sure what ‘on the outs’ is supposed to mean.


13 posted on 05/26/2011 7:14:19 AM PDT by WayneS ("I hope you know this will go down on your PERMANENT record...")
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To: randomhero97

Are your friends in Iraq or Afghanistan? I’ve been reading a bit about how 5.56 doesn’t have the range needed in Afghanistan, and the Army has been re-issuing some M-14s, and that it was also the impetus for SOCOM wanting the 7.62 SCAR-H rifle.


14 posted on 05/26/2011 7:16:11 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: flowerplough

That is why back in the earlyn 80’s (when the unit armory would carry personal weapons around) I had an HK91.

I didn’t figure I neded the full auto of the G3, and it was a damned good weapon.


15 posted on 05/26/2011 7:16:58 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: flowerplough

It’s also why it’s more accurate than any piston design.


16 posted on 05/26/2011 7:20:30 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: wheresmyusa
what about the 6.8? I’d like to fire one of those someday soon.

I have the 6.8 spc. It mimicks the 30-30(except faster and flatter) with a really pointy bullet.

17 posted on 05/26/2011 7:21:32 AM PDT by umgud
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To: WayneS
It certainly does not appear that the DoD is terminating Colt’s current contract early or anything like that, so I am not sure what ‘on the outs’ is supposed to mean.

It's the lefty definition of competition.

If you are "in" there is no competition, just a long string of contracts.

If you are out {heaven forbid} you will have to compete, both via product and price.

The military, should end up with a better weapon at a lower price.

18 posted on 05/26/2011 7:22:10 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: KeyLargo; All; y'all; no one in particular
Not to put too fine a point on it, but...

We need to stop killing talibunnies outright. They want that!

On instant they are a noble jihadist, the next they've got 72 virgins in that whorehouse-in-the-sky they call paradise.

What we need to do is inflict horrible disfiguring painful and disabling wounds with a slow lingering burdensome death.

Preferably after a long enough delay so that they can be a gruesome object lesson for everyone in the village...

19 posted on 05/26/2011 7:22:25 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 854 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: USS Alaska

Name a better weapon than the AR/m-16 plaform.


20 posted on 05/26/2011 7:24:50 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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