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Apple scores broad patent on touch screens
CNet News ^ | June 23, 2011 | by Don Reisinger

Posted on 06/22/2011 2:17:08 PM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: TXnMA

“Pure anarchistic bravo sierra from someone who has, in all likelihood, never invented a single thing in his entire life.”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Patents have a proper role, but not software or business method patents. For the majority of US history we never needed method patents, and we don’t need them now.

Your rudeness was uncalled for.

By the way, I make by living by business, not ministry.


61 posted on 06/23/2011 10:31:19 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: Swordmaker
I've been working on a touch screen that touches you back and can also identify if it's a good touch or a bad touch.

My other invention is a lawnmower for lesbians. It's called a carpet mulcher.

62 posted on 06/23/2011 10:38:05 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: PastorBooks
Your opinion re business method patents could well be better supported than mine.

OTOH, my career consisted of creating, applying, protecting, and exploiting intellectual property. Whether physical invention or software innovation, all of my intellectual outputs were worthy of protection. Good software is just as inventive as the cleverest "gadget" -- and just as worthy of protection. I can justifiably lay claims to having created both.

For an educational experience, check the annual report of a little company like Texas Instruments. I believe you will be amazed at the real dollar value (revenue generated by) the intellectual property (including software) they have paid their employees to create.

I apologize for my rudeness. However, ministry, business, and invention are all honorable, necessary, and worthy endeavors; IMO, your disclaimer was unnecessary...

63 posted on 06/23/2011 11:33:42 PM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: TXnMA

“Whether physical invention or software innovation, all of my intellectual outputs were worthy of protection.”

Thank you for your response. I do agree with you, in principle.

I just read yesterday that there is a new camera coming to market, the Lytro Light-Field Camera, that will let you shoot a photo and adjust the focus later. I took a look at their website and it’s an amazing piece of technology. Apparently all the photography websites are buzzing with the news.

How the Lytro Light-Field Camera Works
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387554,00.asp

This camera is very worthy of a patent, in my opinion, as well as the software that runs it.

My main caution against many patents is that the Patent Office has gone overboard in granting many of them. One man actually received a patent on a method of swinging on a swing. Once granted these patents are very difficult to overturn, even the ones that are obvious to anyone working in a field.

I probably overstated that I wanted *all* software patents done away with... in the case of the software of this camera, it is worthy of a patent. The problem is how to protect against obvious concepts in the industry from being snatched up by the first person with cash in his pocket. Many emerging software “next steps” are obvious, they only haven’t been patented yet.

True innovations should be patentable. But the issue is how to keep the Patent Office from overstepping, and in fact placing hindrances in the path of further innovation.

Patents were designed by the founders in order to promote inventions. If that goal is being hindered by those who would want to patent something for money, then not come out with a product but wait to sue the first company that comes along, I would argue that the system is broken.

I would suggest:

* Look at limiting the duration of software patents. Patents were designed to give an inventor a head-start in a market, but at some point the intellectual property would go the free market. Software evolves so rapidly that by the time a patented method goes into the public domain it is obsolete.

* Make it easier to challenge obvious patents in a neutral court.

* Make the Patent Office pay some kind of penalty if they award a patent that is later struck down. As of now, the Office makes money if they award a patent and less if they don’t... a conflict of interest. If there was a penalty if they mis-award a patent perhaps less frivolous patents would be granted.

* Business method patents are becoming a real hindrance to innovation, and they weren’t even patentable until recent decades, if I recall correctly.

* Disallow so many patent cases to be argued in East Texas, where the courts have been extra-generous to patent lawsuits. Most patent suits in the country are filed there.

* Forbid pure-IP organizations that do not produce products but exist only to sue productive companies that are trying to release products to the market.

One of the businesses that I am starting is in a field that has many patents (many frivolous). I have several inventions myself not yet patented because I can’t afford it. I keep a notebook of patentable ideas and will see about going through the process when the funds are there. So I can see the argument from both sides, both the patent-holders and businesses trying to produce products and getting sued for it.

I am also a programmer and am starting an open-source software project. I am wary of the patent minefield that I will have to avoid just to release software that is designed to help people further their education.

The purpose of patents was to promote innovation and reward inventors. I have some inventions coming, and I hope to gain from them. But when patents become an overall hindrance to the market, I would suggest that they have gone too far and the bar to obtaining them should be raised.


64 posted on 06/24/2011 2:21:31 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: PastorBooks

Advice based on experience: Make sure that your notes on patentable ideas are read by someone capable of understanding them — and then have them sign and date your notes as witness.


65 posted on 06/24/2011 3:56:45 PM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: Melas
What the patent would cover would be the two finger gesture to enlarge a picture or the two finger pinch to reduce it.

My nook does that.

66 posted on 06/24/2011 4:52:37 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: Swordmaker
Did you know that Alexander Graham Bell (my great, great, great grandfather, incidentally) only beat Elisha Root to the patent office by a few hours with his application for the patent for the telephone

I always thought Elisha should have called ahead.

I knew a guy who patented an improvement on a wheel-barrow handle. His handle made it easier to lift heavy loads. The guy discovered no one had ever patented the wheel-barrow itself. He filed for a patent, but they turned him down.

67 posted on 06/24/2011 5:02:13 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: TXnMA

Good advice, thanks.


68 posted on 06/24/2011 5:03:28 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: gitmo

All android devices do that.


69 posted on 06/24/2011 5:26:51 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Samsung has had a wave of great new products. The Galaxy S II, not available yet in the States, is the best cell phone out there. And their new tablets are incredible. They are taking ‘thin’ to the next level.


70 posted on 06/24/2011 5:33:46 PM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
I've been working on a touch screen that touches you back and can also identify if it's a good touch or a bad touch.

Too late. Look here.

71 posted on 06/24/2011 5:55:45 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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