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Small engine question

Posted on 06/30/2011 1:25:59 PM PDT by djf

OK I have and older small Homelite chain saw.

What can make it act up (not run, doesn't want to start) when it's hot?

I've checked everything - carb, spark, the chain is free and well oiled...

Very perplexing because it's so stubborn. Let it set for 15 minutes and it starts up like gangbusters!

I've taken apart and rebuilt several small engines on various mowers/tillers/etc and this one has me stumped!


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1 posted on 06/30/2011 1:26:02 PM PDT by djf
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Flooded.......ck the hose to the tank and its return. The one way valve or its gasket is leaking......


2 posted on 06/30/2011 1:28:19 PM PDT by Red Badger (Nothing is a 'right' if someone has to give it to you................)
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Did you change the spark plug? I had a riding lawn mower that would run fine for about 45 minutes then it would miss a few times and quit. A new plug fixed the problem.


3 posted on 06/30/2011 1:28:25 PM PDT by MulberryDraw ( Switch off the EPA.)
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Try replacing the magneto. I’m on my third magneto for my Lawnboy 2 cycle mower. Starts and runs fine, but shut it down when hot, and you can’t get it restarted until it cools down.

A new magneto coil fixes it for about 3 seasons, then the hot starting problem returns.


4 posted on 06/30/2011 1:29:32 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Just a suggestion- check the choke springs. Sounds like a problem one of my colleagues was having with his, and that was how he solved his.


5 posted on 06/30/2011 1:29:41 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Red Badger

I second the leaky gasket.

Check fastener tightness at the least. Visually inspect gaskets if possible.


6 posted on 06/30/2011 1:30:54 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: djf

Do you have another saw or tool implement that takes the same type spark plug? Borrow one? Sometimes the plug looks fine, clean, properly gapped, etc. yet the porcelain can be cracked and when hot, will fail. Try a substitute and see if difference noted.


7 posted on 06/30/2011 1:32:35 PM PDT by donozark (Beware the imposter from Mombasa...)
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When I had similar problems with a small Homelite chainsaw; I found that the best thing was to wind up, like a Scottish hammer thrower, and let fly.
8 posted on 06/30/2011 1:32:40 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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Only three things for engines... Fire, Fuel, and Air.

Sometimes the ignition coils on some small engines give you trouble when they get too hot - then you won’t get the spark. Maybe you can get someone to check the coil for you. Sometimes small shops will do that. (Autozone often checks engine parts for cars, for instance, but I bet they wouldn’t do that for a chainsaw...)


9 posted on 06/30/2011 1:33:34 PM PDT by HeadOn (God Save the USA.)
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Two things have never worked for me. Chainsaws and gas powered weed eaters. Even brand new ones. I how have a battery powered weed eater and tiller.


10 posted on 06/30/2011 1:34:45 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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Tips on chainsaws:
1. Everytime it starts to run badly, or fails to start on the second pull, change the aircleaner and the plug. it should start and keep running fine. My Stihl was maintained like that for nearly fifteen years before I gave it away. the other tip is that every time you refill the gasoline tank, sharpen the chain with an electric sharpener or manually with a file. Chainsaw was never in the shop and had hundreds of hours on it.

2. The above works with lawnmowers too. Sharpen the blade with an attachment for your electric drill because it will allow the engine to run at lower speeds and preserves that engine. Had a mower that lasted 18 years and always started on the second pull.


11 posted on 06/30/2011 1:35:04 PM PDT by texmexis best
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Sounds like vapor lock. Fuel gets hot in the tank, produces a vapor that gets in the gas line and doesn’t allow fuel to flow to the engine. Remove the fuel line on the engine side, get fuel flowing through the line and reconnect.

Can happen a lot on hot days when the tank from the outside air temp or sunlight heating heats up the gas in the tank.


12 posted on 06/30/2011 1:35:20 PM PDT by tall_tex
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I have an Echo blower that seized up from overheating. Design flaw in the cooling system. Sounds like a temp problem to me. Check the cooling fins and don't use gas with ethanol. See if you can find some 91 octane. /2c
13 posted on 06/30/2011 1:36:44 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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It's a homelite.

Years ago I was instructed by a wise man that, if I ever got a Homelite machine started, I was never to shut it off but should simply keep it fueled for as long as I could. Homelites only start once, maybe twice.

That is what I was told.

14 posted on 06/30/2011 1:38:03 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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For very small 2-cycle engines, I like to use canned, pre-mixed gasoline. Menards carries it. It is ethanol free.


15 posted on 06/30/2011 1:38:33 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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Hold the spark plug wire and give the cord a yank. You’ll find out if the magneto works or not. Or get your wife to hold it. If you think she can take a joke.


16 posted on 06/30/2011 1:40:01 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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They make electric chainsaws, too. I have both types.....


17 posted on 06/30/2011 1:42:24 PM PDT by Red Badger (Nothing is a 'right' if someone has to give it to you................)
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Thanks for all the tips. Alot of good things to check out.
Unfortunately, the coil seems to be no longer available, so hopefully, it’s something else!

It doesn’t always do it... and when it’s running, it’s a dang nice little saw!


18 posted on 06/30/2011 1:43:07 PM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

Use the WD-40 test:
Spray WD-40 into the carb then try to start.
If it does start and run a little then you have a fuel problem. The engine is burning the WD-40 and is not running because it isn’t getting any fuel.

If it doesn’t start and run a little then, you have an electrical problem, try the plug first and work back from that.


19 posted on 06/30/2011 1:43:40 PM PDT by updatedscreenname
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Your facts reminded me of a long-ago, natural-gas burning clothes dryer problem. The dryer would start and run perfectly for a while, before quitting.

The problem was electrical. A small electrical coil that controlled gas flow opened (continuity inside coil disappeared) when the temperature went up. Then, upon cooling, that coil was again operable.

Good luck with it.


20 posted on 06/30/2011 1:44:36 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years)
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