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To: ASA Vet
James Madison "Father of the Constitution":
"It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.

18 posted on 08/09/2011 6:48:09 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: sometime lurker

Whats that quote supposed to prove?


31 posted on 08/09/2011 7:25:00 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: sometime lurker

Ah yes, another 2009 sing-on. Give your source, obot so we can make sure you’re not misquoting to serve axelsleazy’s talking points.


46 posted on 08/09/2011 8:03:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: sometime lurker
You don't understand! Clearly the Father of the Constitution knows less about their intent of the phrase "natural born citizen" than armchair legal eagles do today!

I mean, what background could James Madison, the principal author of the Constitution, have for really understanding what the phrase "natural born citizen" means?

What's his credentials and claim for knowledge to try to usurp what thousands of birthers and Corsi and WND readers all KNOW as fact?

/sarc

62 posted on 08/09/2011 9:16:52 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: sometime lurker
James Madison "Father of the Constitution":

"It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.

What? You found the only tool in your bag is a hammer and all your problems must therefore be nails? Your argument as been refuted, yet here you are persistent in it. Were Madison's comment the law of the land it would have made citizens of Slaves and Indians, yet we know for a fact they were not until they were manumitted and/or naturalized.

You simply don't seem to comprehend that the facts contradict the only quote (and that offhand) you have in support of your position. The seating of Mr. Smith to the US congress not only did not repeal article II, it did not even address it.

121 posted on 08/10/2011 8:16:30 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Abortion is Murder and Democrats are Stupid and/or Evil.)
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