How fatty diets cause diabetes

Sanford-Burnham Medical Research Institute ^ | August 14, 2011 | Unknown

[mad_as_he$$]

;-)

[Bigg Red]

Rats! I was hoping you would tell me I was wrong about beer. I loves me some beer.

[Bigg Red]

Rats! I was hoping you would tell me I was wrong about beer. I loves me some beer.

[mad_as_he$$]

As I said earlier on this thread. It seems if you keep carbs below about 20% of your CALORIES then many people seem to do well. 100% no carbs is bad for your kidneys.

So if you eat 2,000 cals a day then you can probably have two beers once in awhile. That is my recipe and I am doing great(and I loves me some beer too).

[PA Engineer]

This study is wrong.

I agree with you and everything you stated. They are rehashing the same errors of numerous other poorly conducted studies that failed to account for carbs and Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratios. Low carb will reverse Metabolic Syndrome (Syndrome X), insulin resistance, reduce endothelial glycation, reduce triglycerides to safe levels, and bring HDL-TAG ratios to a healthful balance.

A diet of both high carbs (high glycemic or low) with either high fat or low offer no health benefit long term. A high saturated and monounsaturated diet in the proper ratios with low carb consumption results in a different metabolic pathway that will prevent the dangerous effects of Metabolic syndrome.

[neverdem]

Pathway to diabetes through attenuation of pancreatic beta cell glycosylation and glucose transport

FReepmail me if you want on or off the diabetes ping list. If you enter Volek JS, Feinman RD into PubMed's query box, then you'll do an authors' search on two writers who have written at least 10 articles showing the benefit of carbohydrate restriction.

[nina0113]

Lard makes the absolute best fried chicken. I only do it a couple of times a year, but man, it’s so good.

[goodnesswins]

YES....what you said....there’s a fast food joint around here that sells the low carb burger, and it’s REALLY good....big ole crisp lettuce leaf wrapped around a hamburger with tomato and onion....YUM

[AndrewC]

When I eat bread, starchy vegetables and "low fat" diet foods - my blood sugar levels go up. I am following a diet such as you describe and they are now going down.

Well, good for you. No one says that attempting to control carbohydrate intake is forbidden for type II diabetics. That is a good thing. What this study states is that apparently fat intake is a key to producing type II diabetes in rats. The implication is that humans should react similarly. I am type II. My mother and every one of her siblings were/are type II. My father is not. He has a sweet tooth. Everyday he has ice cream with granola on it and he also likes breads. So apparently type II diabetes is a bit more complex than simply intake of sugar.

[editor-surveyor]

This “study” is nonsense.

Use of the wrong fats causes type II diabetes.

Canola oil, soy oil, safflower oil, cotton oil, all lead to insullin resistance by altering the fat chemistry of the cell membranes, making it impossible for cells to receive insullin.

Changing over to Coconut oil, beef tallow, flax oil, and olive oil will correct the cell membrane chemistry.

http://www.cancertutor.com/Diabetes/Diabetes_Type_II.htm

[editor-surveyor]

>> “First, from my read of this paper, the connection being made is between obesity and diabetes. A fatty diet was used to cause obesity, and then diabetes developed.” <<

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This is an absolute falsehood.

Obesity can result from diabetes, but diabetes cannot result from obesity.

Diabetes cannot happen unless the membranes of your cells become impermeable. The fats that make cell membranes impermeable cannot come from your own body, because the have to be unsaturated fats to cause that change.

Only vegetable oils can cause type II diabetes.

http://www.cancertutor.com/Diabetes/Diabetes_Type_II.htm

[editor-surveyor]

Whole wheat bread is not healthy.

Eliminating as much of your grain consumption as possible will go a long way toward improving your health. The oils and proteins in grains are difficult for the body to utilize.

Nuts are a far better source if you are insistant on vegetation, but really, meats are the best answer.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “OTOH I think coconut oil is one of the healthiest foods on the planet.” <<

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Lots of truth to that.

Both for curing type II diabetes, and for dementia/Alzheimers, coconut oil is a strong player.

Nothing out of a box, can or bag is a good rule of thumb. Of course, there are exceptions, such as sardines, which are one of the highest quality foods available.

[Pining_4_TX]

“I use portabella mushroom caps as burger buns.”

How does that taste? My problem with trying to eat low carb is that I just hate the substitutes for breads, etc. I have tried the low carb tortillas and would rather not eat a tortilla at all if that is all I can have. Also, when I go to a restaurant, it seems that all I can get is a salad with meat topping (such as a Cobb salad).

I keep trying to stick to a low carb diet and keep failing.

[Joe 6-pack]

"How does that taste?"

I love 'em, but then, I've always been a mushroom eater. Try this...do your regular burger. Top it with some crumbles bleu chees, some buffalo wing sauce and a few jalapeno slices. I could eat those every day :-)

It is hard to break the carb cycle initially, but this was my experience: I went absolutely cold turkey on carbs. No bread, no rice, no potatoes, no pasta, etc. After about 2-3 days, I realized how accustomed I'd become to feeling bloated because I just didn't feel bloated anymore. The hard part was knowing when I was truly hungry, because for a while, my body was confusing the absence of bloat with hunger! When I didn't feel bloated I was motivated to eat so I would feel like my body was accustomed to feeling. With a little self-discipline, and after a week or so carb free, I found I was eating a lot less of everything because I was simply no longer confusing healthy hunger with the unhealthy need to stuff myself.

Also, when I was eating a lot of carbs I would have to pretty much take a pepcid or other antacid every day. Since I cut them out altogether I've had no such need (and I eat a lot of spicy foods).

Now I'll occasionally indulge in some carbs, but try to restrict it to whole grains when possible...If your experience mirrors mine, I think you'll find that with a very rigorous denial for about a week or so, you'll find that you'll lose a lot of the desire and hunger for carbs.

[Pining_4_TX]

I will try to be genteel here, but some people (my husband included) experience some gastro upset problems (frequent trips to the bathroom or the opposite) when they eat low carb. Since you went cold turkey on carbs, did you have any problems, and, if so, how did you deal with that?

(you can send me a private message if this is getting to be TMI for most Freepers)

[Joe 6-pack]

"...some people...experience some gastro upset problems (frequent trips to the bathroom or the opposite) when they eat low carb. Since you went cold turkey on carbs, did you have any problems, and, if so, how did you deal with that?"

I started with a 24 hour fast, but intentionally started that by purging with a bunch of dried apricots and apple cider...so...yeah, there was some self induced gastro upset for the first day or so. Just make sure you get plenty of water so you don't dehydrate. I then went for a lot of fish, jerky, chicken breasts, cheese, etc. as well as all the veggies I wanted, and slowly ramped up the quantities.

I haven't had any issues (apart from those first 24 hours or so :-)

[goodnesswins]

Grapeseed oil, too...

[goodnesswins]

I use worcestshire or some sauce (salt/pepper, etc) on portabella’s and then grill or saute them in oil....then use as burger bun...kinda messy, but yummy...

[editor-surveyor]

Grapeseed oil is a bit of a fad right now, so the price is way out of line with the benefit.