Posted on 09/12/2011 9:50:15 PM PDT by Kevmo
However, its also important to be aware of sciences very real limitations. Its realm is restricted to whats repeatable and reproducible. It cant deal with one-time events, or those that seem totally spurious. So miracles, seers that might predict a future event, in other words all the paranormal space is outside sciences scope, even though it is part of reality.
No, the placebo effect is very understandable within the realm of medical science. It is very well established that a person's mental attitude affects their health, and the placebo directly affects a person's mental attitude.
In contrast, "alternative" medicine is marketed on the basis that it is NOT supported by science, and that its effectiveness is based on mysterious principles unknown by "mainstream" science.
Most of what would be called "supernatural" is not actually outside the realm of science (which is the art of observing the physical world around us). Just because an event is "one-time" doesn't mean that it was caused by some non-natural agent; in order for a scientist to observe something, they first have to figure out the conditions under which it occurs. A rare enough event might not be observable scientifically. Ditto with "miracles." It would be called a miracle, for instance, if someone would recover from incurable cancer. Yet, despite the fact that it rarely happens, there is no reason the body can't mount an effective immune response against cancer. And with "seers"--there are any number of reasons they might predict a future event. Many fortune tellers, for instance, are good judges of human nature, who can ascertain that certain events are likely in a person's life just by asking a few pointed questions and watching their body language while they answer.
I know that it is not very romantic to reject the supernatural. But the natural world around me is teeming with such wonders that I don't need to turn to the supernatural to find the amazing.
Y'know, I think "Free Republic" would be a good model to do this. A scientific paper would be "published" as news stories are currently (in full, NOT ABSTRACTED), and "peer review" take place via the comments. You'd get a lot of chaff along with the heat, but I think it could work. Problem is how to run it so it pays for itself.
LOL...that's supposed to be "wheat", but there'd undoubtedly be a lot of heat as well.
“I know that it is not very romantic to reject the supernatural. But the natural world around me is teeming with such wonders that I don’t need to turn to the supernatural to find the amazing.”
I didn’t call those things “supernatural” - you did. I’m not a romantic when it comes to “alternative” stuff - in fact I take them with a great deal of salt. I referred to them as paranormal. In fact I explicitly stated that those one time events are part of reality, but science cannot do much with them other than speculate because, again, the scientific method relies on reproducibility and repeatability. Having said that I’m all in favor of science investigating paranormal events.
By the way, I’m an engineer, so I appreciate science and nature very much, and am awed at how much it has contributed to our understanding of the universe. It is undoubtedly one of man’s greatest achievement. Still I believe its wise to know and appreciate its limits.
I’m sorry, I misunderstood you. I guess I’ve been listening to too much Coast to Coast... a side effect of having to drive late at night.
No problem....
Every once in a while I catch Coast to Coast if I’m out late - that show is proof that lack of sleep warps the brain.
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