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To: Secret Agent Man
"I repeat, it is not asking for perfection to have the unit running free of 500 kw generators. You say “not true” to this. That’s not even a proper answer to that statement. It either IS asking for perfection or it IS NOT asking for perfection. I believe it’s not. I’m coming out right now and saying I don’t think that is too much to ask for. If these units cannot work without 500 KW generators always present, running at whatever load, even for safety concerns, that’s something that has to be considered as a real cost, and factored into the efficiency of these units.

You will NEVER see the E-cat running without being hooked up to a rather substantial source of electric power, whether that be "mains power" from a dedicated hookup, or generator power as used in the 28 Oct. test. Reason....the E-cat requires a significant "startup energy". Why did Rossi use a genset. More than likely because he didn't want to pay for the installation of a dedicated power circuit in a rented facility. Understand...the 1MW E-cat is designed to be "field installed" to a single dedicated starting circuit, and is undoubtedly wired up that way in the shipping container. So, Rossi did what any GOOD engineer would have done....he rented a generator for the one-use demo. It would have taken a significant effort (wasted) to separate the "startup circuit" wiring from the "parasitic power" circuit (pumps, instrumentation, etc.).

This is PRECISELY the situation you have in your car. A serious (but short term) current is needed to "get cranked up", and you also still need to generate a lesser current to run your cars "parasitic loads" (and to re-charge the source of your startup energy).

"The article I read about the test never made any mention that the unit was able to generate 1 MW of power at any time. If you have an article that shows it ran at 1 MW for awhile, I’ll certainly read it."

I suggest you read more articles. No single article will ever have all the details available. As to my leading you around by the nose to the data...not gonna happen. I research subjects to educate myself, and don't keep a "stock" of links to argue points. Life is too short and I've got better things to do. Believe me or don't. I neither lie nor exaggerate. The data is there as I have stated.

"What I did gather from what I have read about the test was that the generators connected all during the test had the capacity to generate 500 KW of power, and the e-cat generated 480 KW of power during the 5 1/2-6 hr test run.

Which is the SPECULATION of the skeptics. They have no evidence that the power output was that low OR that the input power was coming from the genset. They are ASSUMING, with no justification other than their "it's a scam" viewpoint, that the genset was providing all the power.

"If you want to give me other sources that are independent I’d be happy to read them."

See above about not chasing down data I've already looked at.

"All I am saying is the test would appear to be more convincing if he could run the e-cat unit in all its modes for a good number of hours, without a power source potentially larger than the output of the e-cat itself. You may believe that such a test would not more convincing, but I believe most people - and particularly this group you refer to as skeptics - would see that as very good evidence it works."

If that's all you want, go look up the 18-hour no-steam "single E-Cat" test results. You can find them summarized at the LENR-CANR.org website. There's plenty of evidence. The naysayers either find an imaginary reason that it has to be wrong, or they simply ignore it.

76 posted on 11/29/2011 2:44:31 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Since your last post I looked around at about a dozen other articles and none of them ever reported the unit ever ran at 1 MW.

They reported that a “glitch” was found (none explaining what the glitch was), and that the customer had to make a decision to run it either 1 MW in powered mode or half-power in self-sustain mode. They had to make the choice before it started up, and they chose to do the self-sustain at half power.

As far as I can find it never ran 1 MW at all. they had to pick either 1 MW/powered or half power/self-sustain.


77 posted on 11/29/2011 3:24:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Also if it was you running the test, and your half-power output is about 500 kw, if you had to have outside generator power powering a cooling system, wouldn’t you do your best to pick a generator not capable of producing equal or greater power than your supposed output power of what you’re testing is? So that nobody could ever raise the spectre of the generator possibly being wired in to produce the output results?

In the articles I found it was mentione that the cooling pumps were not running at full capacity, maybe a third of their capacity. Sounds like he might have gotten by using a smaller ‘genset’ as you called it. If a 150 kw or 200 kw genset could have supplied the necessary power to the pumps but the output of the e-cat was still 480 kw, that would be a lot harder to argue with.


79 posted on 11/29/2011 3:32:12 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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