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Football Pitch-Sized Batteries Could Change the World of Renewable Energy
Oilprice ^ | 08/01/2012 | James Burgess

Posted on 01/09/2012 11:30:36 AM PST by bananaman22

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To: Darksheare
A giant football pitch sized battery that can go into a violent discharge state. Wonder what that looks like?

Post a pro Romney thread and CC Jim Rob. Kinda like that but without the cats in viking helmets.
21 posted on 01/09/2012 12:07:58 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Complete with the Undead Thread zombie apocalypse.


22 posted on 01/09/2012 12:11:02 PM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: sr4402

Pumped Hydro storage is the most efficient and economic energy storage system over a long period of time with daily cycles. The efficiency of this system is typically between 70% and 85%.

http://www.electricitystorage.org/technology/storage_technologies/technology_comparison


23 posted on 01/09/2012 12:11:27 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
>>Obama Energy Department Is Going Back and Changing Solar Energy Loan Press Releases

Wow! Have you any examples?

24 posted on 01/09/2012 12:15:22 PM PST by pabianice (")
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To: bananaman22
“So now that 100-MW wind farm can say, ‘We’re a 40-MW, steady-state, 24/7 energy source’—

BS

Show me a windfarm that runs at a 40% capacity factor.

More likely 25%.

Just another green company to short.

25 posted on 01/09/2012 12:17:04 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: cuban leaf

Wind turbines are often locked down so that they can’t be damaged by high winds. What you saw might have been a day that was essentially, “too windy.” Neat, huh?


26 posted on 01/09/2012 12:19:59 PM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
From the link:

Someone affiliated with the Department of Energy has been going back to make changes to press releases posted on the Internet weeks and months ago, CNBC has found. The changes occurred in two press releases from the Department of Energy’s loan guarantee program — the same program that has been the center of controversy surrounding the failed solar company Solyndra.

Both were changed to remove the name of a company that has received negative press attention in recent days, SunPower, and replace it with the name of another company, NRG Energy [NRG 20.89 -0.14 (-0.67%) ].

Generally, it is not considered correct procedure to revise old press releases retroactively on the Web. More commonly, government agencies will issue a new press release with a current date explaining any changes that have occurred.

In the April case, the Department of Energy loan programs office announced in a press release on April 12 “conditional commitment” to a $1.187 billion loan guarantee to support the California Valley Solar Ranch project, which it said was “sponsored by SunPower Corporation.”

But that release was later changed on one website to say the project was “sponsored by NRG Energy.” The date on the release remained “April 12, 2011.”

27 posted on 01/09/2012 12:41:38 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: bananaman22

Batteries would just make it more expensive.


28 posted on 01/09/2012 12:57:07 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: bananaman22

Futball (soccer) is played on a “pitch”. Football (American) is played on a field.

The pitch is somewhat larger than the field.


29 posted on 01/09/2012 12:57:45 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a tyrannical and violent POLITICAL ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
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To: Tallguy

—What you saw might have been a day that was essentially, “too windy.” Neat, huh?—

What it is is laughable. :)

I actually wondered that at the time and said to myself, “Naw. That would be stupid.”


30 posted on 01/09/2012 1:02:06 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

Not really. In the Days of Sail, ships would “reef their sails”, taking-in canvas so as to limit the dangerous effects of high wind gusts that might damage or roll a ship. It’s the same principle, really.


31 posted on 01/09/2012 1:14:26 PM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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—Not really. In the Days of Sail, ships would “reef their sails”, taking-in canvas so as to limit the dangerous effects of high wind gusts that might damage or roll a ship. It’s the same principle, really.—

But the sailors didn’t completely remove the sails. When the wind turbines are stopped, the blades are feathered. Why can’t they just partially feather them for high wind? That’s why I thought it was “stupid” to just turn them off if the wind is high.

Regarding the ships, I assume that is why they have those horizontal rows of string in the sails every few vertical feet.


32 posted on 01/09/2012 1:20:08 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

They would vary the pitch of the wind mill blades according to the wind-speed, but that would be affective only up to a certain point and then they’d have to lock the rotor down.

Regarding the sailing ships: in very high winds you might see all the square sails furled and only the jib sheets and a stern lanteen mast rigged to maintain some directional control.


33 posted on 01/09/2012 1:26:31 PM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: cuban leaf

That was the White County Wind Farm you drove through on I-65.
Obama’s Chinese-made, stimulus paid-for windmills don’t run when the temps get above 90 degrees. They could burn out in the heat...
They don’t run when it’s too COLD...
They don’t run if the wind is gusting over 38MPH...
They don’t run if there is no wind above 8MPH...
They don’t run in icing conditions...
They don’t run during storms...
The BEST Purdue University has been able to get out of the HUGE, federally-subsidized White County Wind Farm is LESS THAN 30% Efficiency..
30 FREAKIN’ PERCENT EFFICIENCY!!!


34 posted on 01/09/2012 1:30:14 PM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: thackney

OK, so if Pumped Storage is 70%-85% Efficient, what is Wind to Electricity, to the Best Battery to Generator efficiency? and how long would the Storage life compare?


35 posted on 01/09/2012 1:31:23 PM PST by sr4402
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To: Army Air Corps

I can’t get too excited about this when solar powered flying cars are just around the corner.


36 posted on 01/09/2012 1:31:48 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: cuban leaf

They were probably shut down. If it’s too windy they will blow themselves up so they have to be shut down.


37 posted on 01/09/2012 1:36:14 PM PST by Pafreedom
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To: bananaman22

“2011 saw huge advances in solar, wind and other renewable energy sources, “

What?!

Can anyone point me to a “huge advance” story that does NOT contain the words “could” or “might” or some similar qualifier? I don’t think so.


38 posted on 01/09/2012 1:36:52 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: bananaman22

I follow this site on a regular basis and have noted they are very pro wind and solar energy. Go into their comments section and and it won’t take long to see who their audience is.

I find Fuel Fix, Institute for Energy Research and Rig Zone are better informed.


39 posted on 01/09/2012 1:36:56 PM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: andy58-in-nh

It also assumes that the renewable energy source produces more energy than the grid demands in order to put the excess power into the batteries.


40 posted on 01/09/2012 1:41:38 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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