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To: ravager
The problem with this article is the flagrand SPIN.

And the Russian equipment you mention...

“India has arms deals with Russia today far more then anytime in all of cold war history with Soviet/Russia. India has several multi-billion dollar arms deal that includes stealth fighter jets, aircraft carrier, nuclear subs, stealth destroyers, naval fighters jets, medium transport jets, AWACS, aerial refuelers, and hundreds of tanks and fighter upgrade programs.”

...it is all Soviet era crap barely updated.

If the Indians are going to confront the new Chinese weapons R&D (which is now far in excess of the Russians) they are going to need non-Russian Western arms.

China is building a gigantic naval base in Pakistan at Gwadar and Pakistan and China are trying to encircle India.

Consistent the the newly emerging US-India strategic alignment of interests India recently attended a conference with the US, Australia, Japan and the other nations threatened by China's aggressive territorial claims in the South China Sea for a friendly chat...prompting the anti-Australian Darwin US outpost article on this website.

19 posted on 01/19/2012 8:37:45 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Russian Equipment are craps ????

>Are you talking about SU 30 MKI and other versions (4++) Jet that even US and her allies feared the most .

>Aint am right that US provided the most updated fighter Jets and Equpiment to pakistan against India bt still they been defeated within 14 days ,not to mention other 3 wars.

> Chinese Weapons are still decades behind Russian so called Junk ,all they do is Copy Paste things which is yet to be tested in real war unlike russian Junks.

> India is happy with russian junk atleast there are no aatached string and they work fine in WAR.


20 posted on 01/19/2012 9:31:32 PM PST by MBT ARJUN
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To: Seizethecarp
“The problem with this article is the flagrand SPIN.”

Can you explain what part of the article is “flagarand SPIN”? And what exactly is “flagarand”? So far you have only loosely thrown out words like “propaganda” and “spin” without explaining how or why. As I said before, surely it cant be a propaganda only because you disagree with it. Why don't you tell us what is your take on 1971 India-Pakistan war?

“And the Russian equipment you mention...
...it is all Soviet era crap barely updated.”

Wait. Hold it right there. You said this “propaganda” article was written only to bolster Russian arms sale because they are facing desperate competition. And my response was they are still very much in business....and your response is....oh but their weapons are all crap! Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? They maybe crap but Indians are still buying it. So how does it matter if its crap?

And surely a nicely written “propaganda” piece would be enough to kiss upto Indians and have them buy more arms no? Because obviously Indians have no intelligence of their own to tell for themselves what happened in 1971 war right? /s

As for Russian weapons. They are not crap, not even close. Secondly, even if American weapons are 100 times better, if they are not on sale to India then it doesn't matter how good they are. Thirdly Indians have beaten Pakistan (which used American weapons)in 4 wars, using Russian weapons. I believe Indians are sufficiently intelligent enough to tell whats crap and whats not.

“the new Chinese weapons R&D (which is now far in excess of the Russians”

No, they are not. Chinese fighter gets are still using Russian engines. They still rely heavily on Russia for technology. I would say Indian technology is on par with the Chinese. The Indians have built more or less everything the Chinese have been able to build thus far.

24 posted on 01/19/2012 11:30:29 PM PST by ravager
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