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Does Santorum think the voters are dumb by saying he is above the dirty politics of Mitt and Newt?
January 30, 2012 | Ralph Mitchell

Posted on 01/31/2012 7:14:20 PM PST by mitchell001

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To: steve8714
That is Rush’s opinion and he is welcome to it.

It seems to be true, if Santorum voters can't get Rick, then Romney is their man.

I didn't know until minutes ago that Santorum himself is a Romney man, that is sick, bizarre.

41 posted on 01/31/2012 8:11:56 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: steve8714

I don’t see much between Romney and Obama.


42 posted on 01/31/2012 8:14:46 PM PST by freemarketsfreeminds
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To: steve8714
Check my date, newbie, before you call me a troll. I’ve been through this primary season, and my early choice was run out by Romney’s OR. Gingrich is someone we’ve seen take bothe sides of many issues. Will he defend private property rights against the Feds or make nice with his bench buddy Nancy Pelosi? We know what he says now, but will he flip again?

Have I told you how boring people are that try to impress people with their seniority?

Try arguing from a position of strength of ideas, you'll impress and convince more people that way.

You still haven't provided any evidence on any issue or logical point why anyone should take you seriously when you make such a foolish post that there isn't any difference between Mitt or Newt.
43 posted on 01/31/2012 8:16:22 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: NKP_Vet
Exactly, and this nice nice guy act will get exposed soon, he is running negative Newt Ads but no negative Romney ads. He rather spend the little money he has to try to hurt newt.

You have a point, Mitt has probably signaled to Santorum the VP slot if he stays in. Can Romney secretly slip money to Santorum to keep him running? Santorum hurts Newt not Mitt.

44 posted on 01/31/2012 8:19:24 PM PST by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: SoConPubbie

I didn’t make the original assertion that Santorum was a liar. I haven’t said anything nasty about your candidate. We know that Newt and Nancy think AGW is a vital issue. How will he come down? Us or Them?


45 posted on 01/31/2012 8:20:12 PM PST by steve8714 (Hitchens was wrong.)
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To: freemarketsfreeminds

I agree, except that some of the supporting cast changes.


46 posted on 01/31/2012 8:22:18 PM PST by steve8714 (Hitchens was wrong.)
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To: steve8714

Newt will fight Obama by telling people how they are different. How will Romney fight Obama. By highlighting their similarities? He won’t have the media to prop him up, and his attempt to carpet bomb will fail miserably. Obama has way more money to fight back with.


47 posted on 01/31/2012 8:25:02 PM PST by freemarketsfreeminds
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To: JimWayne
Santorum supported funding for Amtrak. Santorum was for abortion (in 1990) before he was against it. Santorum supported ethanol as automobile fuel. Santorum supported Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey. Santorum endorsed Mitt Romney and called him a conservative. Santorum called himself a "progressive conservative" and positioned himself as such in the initial days.

What are your sources for the following statements?

"Santorum supported abortion in 1990" and "Santorum called him (Romney) a conservative".

48 posted on 01/31/2012 8:51:24 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: steve8714

I’m trying to avoid name calling. Is this how Newt supporters will turn Obama supporters in a general election?
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...but you started the name calling by calling Newt a Mitt? You knew the reaction that would invoke and now play holier than thou. Is your name Rick?


49 posted on 01/31/2012 9:02:41 PM PST by bramps (Free Speech)
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To: bramps

I did not call Newt a Mitt. I just don’t want either one.


50 posted on 01/31/2012 9:06:12 PM PST by steve8714 (Hitchens was wrong.)
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To: steve8714


Stick to the discussion at hand.

You started this thread by stating that Newt was just like Mitt and I have already proven that false statement to be a lie.

I said nothing about Santorum.

Defend your assertion concerning Newt or admit you were wrong.
51 posted on 01/31/2012 9:28:49 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Tou’ve proven zip. I didn’t start the thread. The thread was disrespectful of Santorum, much as Newt has been dismissive.
This has been fun. try to keep a sensible blood pressure.


52 posted on 01/31/2012 9:31:26 PM PST by steve8714 (Hitchens was wrong.)
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To: steve8714

So I wouldn’t be calling you a bonehead if I said I didn’t see much difference between steve8714 and a bonehead?


53 posted on 01/31/2012 9:34:57 PM PST by bramps (Free Speech)
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To: steve8714

All about St.Rick the hypocrite

What A Big Government Conservative Looks Like

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/06/what-a-big-government-conservative-looks-like/

Posted by Erick Erickson (Diary)

Friday, January 6th at 12:13PM EST

NEA

Voted for taxpayer funding of the National Endowment for the Arts.
Voted against a 10% cut in the budget for National Endowment for the Arts.

Bankruptcy
Voted for a Schumer amendment to make the debts of pro-life demonstrators not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

Defense and Foreign Policy
Voted for the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).
Voted against requiring the President to certify that the CWC is effectively verifiable.
Voted against requiring the President to certify that that Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, North Korea, China, and all other countries determined to be state sponsors of terror have joined CWC prior to submitting the instrument of ratification.
Voted for the START II Treaty
Voted to allow the sale of supercomputers to China.
Voted to ban antipersonnel landmines
Voted against increasing defense spending offset by equivalent cuts in non-defense spending.
Voted to require that Federal bureaucrats get the same payraises as uniformed military.
Voted to allow food and medicine sales to state sponsors of terror and tyranical regimes such as Libya and Cuba.
Voted to limit the President’s authority to impose sanctions on nations for reasons of national security unless the sanctions were approved by a multilateral regime.
Voted against requiring Congressional authorization for military action in Bosnia.
Voted to give $25 million in foreign aid to North Korea
Voted to weaken alien terrorist deportation provisions. If the Court determines that the evidence must be withheld for national security reasons, the Justice Department must still provide a summary of the evidence sufficient for the alien terrorist to mount a defense against deportation.
Voted against delaying the India Nuclear until the President certified that India had agreed to suspend military-to-military exchanges with Iran.
Voted against the Conventional Trident Missile Program

Nominations
Voted for Richard Paez to the 9th Curcuit (cloture)
Voted for Sonia Sotomayor, Circuit Judge
Voted for Richard Holbrooke to be Ambassador to the UN
Voted for Margaret Morrow to be District Judge
Voted twice for Marsha Berzon to the 9thg Circuit
Voted for Mary McLaughlin to be District Judge
Voted for Tim Dyk to be District Judge
Voted for James Brady to be District Judge

Labor
Voted against National Right to Work Act
Voted against Real of Davis-Bacon Prevailing union wages
Voted for Alexis Herman to be Secretary of Labor
Voted for mandatory Federal child care funding
Voted for Trade Adjustment Assistance.
Voted for Job Corps funding
Voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization
Voted against allowing a waiver of Davis-Bacon in emergency situations.
Voted for minimum wage increases six times here here here here here and here
Voted to require a union representative on an IRS oversight board.
Voted to exempt IRS union representative from criminal ethics laws.
Voted against creating independent Board of Governors to investigate IRS abuses.

Guns
Voted to require pawn shops to do background checks on people who pawn a gun.
Voted twice to make it illegal to sell a gun without a secure storage or safety device
Voted for a Federal ban on possession of “assault weapons” by those under 18.
Voted for Federal funding for anti-gun education programs in schools.
Voted for anti-gun juvenile justice bill.

Reform
Voted for funding for the legal services corporation.
Voted twice for a Congressional payraise.
Voted to impose a uniform Federal mandate on states to force them to allow convicted rapists, arsonists, drug kingpins, and all other ex-convicts to vote in Federal elections.
Voted for the Specter “backup plan” to allow campaign finance reform to survive if portions of the bill were found unconstitutional.
Voted to mandate discounted broadcast times for politicians.
Voted for a McCain amendment to require State and local campaign committees to report all campaign contributions to the FEC and to require all campaign contributions to be reported to the FEC within 24 hours within 90 days of an election.

Immigration
Voted against increasing the number of immigration investigators
Voted to allow illegal immigrants to receive the earned income credit before becoming citizens
Voted to give SSI benefits to legal aliens.
Voted to give welfare benefits to naturalized citizens without regard to to the earnings of their sponsors.
Voted against hiring an additional 1,000 border partrol agents, paid for by reductions in state grants.

Taxes
Voted against a flat tax.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for Medicare prescription drugs
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to fund health insurance subsidies for small businesses.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an $8 billion increase in child healh insurance.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an increase in NIH funding.
Voted twice for internet taxes.
Voted to allow gas tax revenues to be used to subsidize Amtrak.
Voted to strike marriage penalty tax relief and instead provide fines on tobacco companies.
Voted against repealing the Clinton 4.3 cent gas tax increase.
Voted to increase taxes by $2.3 billion to pay for an Amtrak trust fund.
Voted to allow welfare to a minor who had a child out of wedlock and who resided with an adult who was on welfare within the previous two years.
Voted to increase taxes by $9.4 billion to pay for a $9.4 billion increase in student loans.
Voted to say that AMT patch is more important than capital gains and dividend relief.

Welfare
Voted against food stamp reform
Voted against Medicaid reform
Voted against TANF reform
Voted to increase the Social Services Block Grant from $1 billion to $2 billion
Voted to increase the FHA loan from $170,000 to $197,000. Also opposed increasing GNMA guaranty from 6 basis points to 12.
Voted for $2 billion for low income heating assistance.

Waste
Sponsored An amendment to increase Amtrak funds by $550 million
Voted to use HUD funds for the Joslyn Art Museum (NE), the Stand Up for Animals project (RI) and the Seattle Art Museum’s Olympic Sculpture Project (WA)
Voted to increase spending on social programs by $7 billion
Voted to increase NIH funding by $1.6 billion.
Voted to increase NIHnding by $700 million
Voted to for a $2 million earmark to renovate the Vulcan Monument (AL)
Voted for a $1 billion bailout for the steel industry
Voted against requiring that highway earmarks would come out of a state’s highway allocation
Voted to allow Market Access Program funds to go to foreign companies.
Voted to allow OPIC to increase its administrative costs by 50%
Voted against transferring $20 million from Americorps to veterans.
Voted for the $140 billion asbestos compensation bill.
Voted against requiring a uniform medical criteria to ensure asbestos claims were legitimate.
Voted to increase community development programs by $2 billion.

Spending and Entitlements
Voted to make Medicare part B premium subsidies an new entitlement.
Voted against paying off the debt ($5.6 trillion at the time) within 30 years.
Voted to give $18 billion to the IMF.
Voted to raid Social Security instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.

Health Care
Voted to allow states to impose health care mandates that are stricter than proposed new Federal mandates, but not weaker.
Voted twice for Federal mental health parity mandates in health insurance.
Voted against a allow consumers the option to purchase a plan outside the parity mandate.

Education
Voted to increase Federal funding for teacher testing
Voted to increase spending for the Department of Education by $3.1 billion.
Voted against requiring courts to consider the impact of IDEA awards on a local school district.

Energy
Voted to allow the President to designate certain sites as interim nuclear waste storage sites in the event that he determines that Yucca Mountain is not a suitable site for a permanent waste repository. Those sites are as follows: the nuclear waste site in Hanford, Washington; the Savannah River Site in South Carolina; Barnwell County, South Carolina; and the Oak Ridge Reservation in Tennessee.
Voted to make fuel price gouging a Federal crime.

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The reason I call St.Rick a hypocrite, is becasue Santorum has pushed for legislation limiting medical malpractice, all the while his wife has been suing the Hell out of a chiropractor for permanenty damaging her back.

He is all about do as I say, not dod as I do.


54 posted on 01/31/2012 10:06:13 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: mitchell001

After last night, I am nearly confident we will have a brockered convention, which will prevent either Romney or Gringrich to be the nominate.


55 posted on 02/01/2012 2:53:07 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: bramps

Nice. You Newtbots have a lot going for you. Tomorrow I’ll dissect every vote Newt ever cast in Congress.


56 posted on 02/01/2012 5:38:00 AM PST by steve8714 (Hitchens was wrong.)
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To: steve8714

And...once again, Newt is dismissive of Santorum and (makes me choke) Paul in his “two-person race” speech. How will he attract their voters? By being not Obama? We’ll stay home, and the party will be riven by a smaller duplicate of the old Taft/Dewey split. Newt talks like Taft but acts like Dewey.


57 posted on 02/01/2012 5:43:54 AM PST by steve8714 (Hitchens was wrong.)
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To: bramps

I haven’t asked anyone to justify their support for Newt. I don’t have to convince anyone to stand my ground. Missouri is a caucus state, I think I’ll volunteer, like in ‘96.


58 posted on 02/01/2012 5:46:07 AM PST by steve8714 (Hitchens was wrong.)
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To: steve8714
We have no national primary. Florida is one state only and lost half their delegates. Newt also failed to make the ballot in his home state. Paul is working the caucus states and may end up with more delegates than Newt.

You're not permitted to make practical sense.

59 posted on 02/01/2012 5:51:41 AM PST by jersey117 (Perry 2012)
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To: jersey117

Thank you. I’m not trying to tout anyone off Newt, and two people I regard highly have endorsed him, sort of. I don’t like this whole dismissive tone, however, and Newt risks splitting the conservative wing of the party. Who does that benefit? Romney short term, Obama in the general. Santorum is a better human than Newt Gingrich.


60 posted on 02/01/2012 5:56:58 AM PST by steve8714 (Hitchens was wrong.)
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