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VANITY: Is Mormonism Christian or is it not?
Vanity ^ | 2-10-2012 | Vanity

Posted on 02/10/2012 12:14:55 PM PST by OKSooner

Is it a fair question to ask... Is Mormonism Christian or is it not?

If you care enough to respond and tell me it's not a fair question, please explain why not.


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Input welcome from all. Of course those of the Mormon faith are welcome to voice their position on this thread, but I'm also particularly interested in the opinion of the Lutheran, Catholic, and Charismatic members of FR.

And I'm "just axin'", because "I just want to know."

Can someone give me a Lutheran Ping?

1 posted on 02/10/2012 12:15:01 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner

It is NOT Christian


2 posted on 02/10/2012 12:16:58 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: OKSooner

Evangelical Christians consider it a cult.


3 posted on 02/10/2012 12:17:34 PM PST by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Marc Levin)
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To: OKSooner

Of course it’s a fair question, hardly anyone discusses it here on FR.


4 posted on 02/10/2012 12:18:35 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: OKSooner

Well, IBTZ!

Also, no, I do not think this is a valid question.....

because it’s so obvious that Mormonism isn’t Christianity there can be no doubt about it.

Here’s why. In mormonism:

1. God is not the Alpha and Omega, just one of many gods
2. Jesus is not the one and only son of God.
3. Jesus’s death on the cross was not enough for your salvation.
4. When you die you become a god.

I could go on but why bother?


5 posted on 02/10/2012 12:19:37 PM PST by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: OKSooner

Lesseeee....

They believe Lucifer and Jesus were brothers.

They believe that God the Father and Mary are married.

They believe, “As we are now, God once was, as God is now, we shall someday be.”

Uhhh . . . NO they are not Christian.

Have a look at “The Godmakers”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Mr0TqrEf8


6 posted on 02/10/2012 12:20:01 PM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: OKSooner

Not for a minute is Mormonism anything more than a cult that’s taking millions of well-meaning, misinformed souls to Hell.

There is only one God, and that’s not the one of millions of gods that Joseph Smith conjured up. They can call themselves anything they want, but calling themselves Christians is totally wrong.

To think that they believe that Joe Smith, Jr., is going to sit next to Jesus on Judgement Day is ridiculous . . . about as ridiculous as the planet Kolob which Joseph Smith dreamed up. It’s very sad to see millions of people marching to Hell because of this guy.


7 posted on 02/10/2012 12:20:24 PM PST by laweeks
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To: OKSooner

It’s a religion. They behave themselves, pay taxes, and obey the law. That’s good enough for most.


8 posted on 02/10/2012 12:20:29 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: OKSooner

Jesus plan for salvation was completed when He died on the cross and rose from the dead three days later.His work was finished.

He didn’t need any other prophets to change or alter His plan.
Starting at Galatians 1:6

“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! “

That’s a very strong warning!


9 posted on 02/10/2012 12:20:33 PM PST by texson66 ("Mr Obama, tear down this wall of bureaucratic opression of freedom!")
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To: ShadowAce; sauropod
" It is NOT Christian "

Please explain why. Also I forgot to mention that in My Vanity Thread it's okay to cite scripture.

10 posted on 02/10/2012 12:20:53 PM PST by OKSooner (Today's new tagline. Tomorrow's new tagline pending.)
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To: OKSooner

No its not

and its a fair question...


11 posted on 02/10/2012 12:21:18 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: OKSooner
All Christian denominations have a Trinitarian form of Baptism.

I do not believe they use the New Testament but their own version of teachings from their founder.

Mormons believe Marriage is eternal and they have a temple.

Jesus said in the Gospel that the wife will not necessarily share heaven with her husband (the question of the womand who married each of 7 brothers...)

12 posted on 02/10/2012 12:23:09 PM PST by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: sauropod
So how do they feel about Catholics?

What exactly is the definition of a Christian?

My upbringing is Baptist ...by the way

I think way back there we were considered a cult....

That was before Roger Williams ....founder of Rhode Island.

13 posted on 02/10/2012 12:23:54 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: OKSooner

Posts #5 and #7 provide a good enough explanation. There are other reasons, but those listed immediately disqualify it from being Christian.


14 posted on 02/10/2012 12:24:12 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: OKSooner

Since you used a computer to get here (I guess) then you can use the same computer to research the question yourself. Try it, it’s fun.


15 posted on 02/10/2012 12:24:34 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Never Regret Anything Because At One Time It Was Exactly What You Wanted")
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To: OKSooner

Also I forgot to mention that in My Vanity Thread it’s okay to cite scripture.
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I dont need your permission...


16 posted on 02/10/2012 12:24:50 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: OKSooner

Well, IIRC, in Revelations I believe there is a verse that says you can’t either take away or add to what is now commonly recognized as the old and new testaments. The Book of Mormon does that.


17 posted on 02/10/2012 12:24:53 PM PST by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Marc Levin)
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To: OKSooner

No, it is not part of orthodox Christianity. Even though Catholics, Lutherans, and Orthodox disagree on many matters, we absolutely DO NOT believe that Satan or Lucifer and Jesus were EVER brothers. Nor do we believe that men and women are united in marriage in Heaven. They also teach that there are some things that Jesus cannot atone for...thus mitigating the total atonement of Christ’s death on the cross.

Mormons are wonderful, family-oriented people. They tend to live very clean lives (no alcohol, cigarettes, etc.), but Muslims are similar in that regard.

Joseph Smith, the man who started the Mormon Church went out and had an “angelic” experience similar to that of Muhammed some several hundred years before.

Be not deceived that the Devil will come as “an angel of light.” And don’t forget that God has told us we are not to add to HIS book nor take away from it. Thus, what’s the whole Book of Mormon for?

P.S. I consider myself an Evangelical Christian. I attend a Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.


18 posted on 02/10/2012 12:25:06 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: OKSooner

Nope, it’s a fraud. Scholars and scientists have proven that the LDS faith is built on deception and fraud. The sacred scrolls are not for Abraham, but Egyptian burial rites and DNA has proven that the native decentants are not middle eastern makeup.

Furthermore, blacks were not allowed into the church until the 70’s.


19 posted on 02/10/2012 12:25:08 PM PST by DownInFlames
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To: OKSooner
In 375AD, as the Church was encountering many heresies and false teachings, an ecumenical council was called in Nicaea. Of the 300 or so Bishops of the early Church who came, only three refused to sign what became known as the Nicene Creed.

I believe that whoever can affirm the statements of the Creed is a Christian as far as we can discern here on Earth. So, if anyone can believe the below, and not believe anything contrary, I believe, that the Church (as it existed in the 4th century) would have considered them a Christian.

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;

By whom all things were made both in heaven and on earth;

Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;

He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven;

From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

And in the Holy Ghost.

But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable'—they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.

20 posted on 02/10/2012 12:26:17 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: OKSooner

Won’t go into the numerous criteria of what is a cult but Mormanism fits the definition on several levels. Catholicism fits the criteria as well. Pray to the Pope? Not I. Nor will I pray to “Mother Mary”.


21 posted on 02/10/2012 12:26:17 PM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Westbrook

All that you say is true, and the problem is this: These issues are hanging in the wind waiting for a full and complete public trial AFTER Romney is nominated. The Dems will turn Mormonism into a modern-day witch hunt in order to win. If I were a Mormon, and I wanted to continue to live the LDS fantasy, I would worry greatly about the day that any Mormon was offered up as a sacrifice for the Dems via the MSM.


22 posted on 02/10/2012 12:26:41 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well, my wife and i have interesting discussions about that.

Catholics believe in literal transubstantiation. I do not.

My wife is not technically a Catholic although she believes a lot of their teachings.

I also don’t believe in praying to Mary either.

It is possible to be an Evangelical Christian and a Catholic at the same time. Catholics don’t deny the Trinity IIRC.

I am basically now a Baptist as well, although I was raised Methodist.


23 posted on 02/10/2012 12:28:52 PM PST by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Marc Levin)
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To: OKSooner

” It is NOT Christian “
Please explain why.
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Mormonism is closer to Islam than Christianity

Joey Smith wanted it that way...

He denounced Christianity and invented his own religion..

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable.

In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]

In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.
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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.

(Decker, Ed, My Kingdom Come: The Mormon Quest for Godhood, Xulon Press, 2007)


24 posted on 02/10/2012 12:31:12 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Jukeman
Pray to the Pope?

That's just idiotic and found nowhere in Catholic dogma.
25 posted on 02/10/2012 12:31:39 PM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: proxy_user

Notice how you ignore all the danger signs? It doesn’t much matter if it’s OK with you, what really matters is whether or not this becomes the focus of the national discussion prior to November. Fact: Most Americans are NOT Mormon, so they are sure to be easily swayed into a morass of doctrine when the public forum is once again in the spotlight (two days before the general election). Why on EARTH would we want a demonstrably false religion to be the center of discourse at that time? Romney is a DEAD LOSER in November.


26 posted on 02/10/2012 12:33:12 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: proxy_user

Notice how you ignore all the danger signs? It doesn’t much matter if it’s OK with you, what really matters is whether or not this becomes the focus of the national discussion prior to November. Fact: Most Americans are NOT Mormon, so they are sure to be easily swayed into a morass of doctrine when the public forum is once again in the spotlight (two days before the general election). Why on EARTH would we want a demonstrably false religion to be the center of discourse at that time? Romney is a DEAD LOSER in November.


27 posted on 02/10/2012 12:33:12 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: OKSooner

Read the first two chapters of a book by Tricia Erickson title CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTER? on Amazon. It will answer your question.

It will answer your question....You can download it to Kindle or buy a paperback copy.


28 posted on 02/10/2012 12:35:38 PM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: sauropod

“Evangelical Christians consider it a cult.”

Evangelicals are taught to consider their Jesus superior to all other Jesuses out there and that any worship that’s not like theirs is cult-like and illigitimate.

Sort of like the Pharisees - full of pride and judgement.

Last time i checked EVERYONE sins and breaking one sin is like breaking them all in the eyes of the Lord - meaning, the Evangelicals are as much sinners as the Catholics and Mormons that they decry as cultists. As a Catholic, I forgive their tresspasses against me the way the Lord forgives my tresspasses against Him.

Nobody gets to heaven except through Christ.


29 posted on 02/10/2012 12:36:49 PM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: OKSooner

Interesting and very misunderstood subject.

Disclosure: I am not a Mormon. I identify myself as a Christian. I am not presently a member of any church or organized religion.

A Christian is a person who self-identifies as a Christian.

A church or religion can also identify itself as Christian. There are hundreds of organizations that self-identify as Christian. Are they all wrong, or all right? There is no authority beyond one’s conscience to make such a determination.

The proclamations of churches on this subject are meaningless and have no authority over any person other than those choosing to accept a certain church’s authority.

I accept no church’s declaration on this subject. I accept no individual’s declaration on this subject. My Christian identity is mine. Statements on the matter by others are irrelevant.

An individual or organization’s identification is only meaningful to the individual or organization making the identification.

No individual or organization has any standing to approve or deny an identification by another.

Now get ready to hear a lot of specious claims, bible quotes and meaningless chatter from those who profess authority in an area where they have none.

Mormons have no say in whether other churches are Christian, and other churches have no say in whether Mormons are Christian.

Authoritarian claims to the contrary are an invitation to meaningless sectarian wars, and we have seen plenty of those for centuries.

May many blessings be yours on your spiritual journey.


30 posted on 02/10/2012 12:36:57 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: OKSooner; All

Heres another fair question..

Is there some reason this question was not put where it belongs...

over in the Religion Forum ???

It would seem more genuine if you had put it there...

If necessary you could have easily found an article on the subject to post..

are you serious about your request when the threads are full of the same info that the Inmen have given you ???


31 posted on 02/10/2012 12:37:22 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: OKSooner

Mormonism certainly considers itself Christian because it believes in a Jesus Christ. The “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.” The Mormon prophet and founder Joseph Smith proclaimed all other churches and the Christian Bible to be false and apostate. Joseph Smith produced completely new teachings of a “plurality of gods” and that human beings could themselves become gods. Smith also taught, among other things, that the American Indians are descended from the lost tribes of Israel.

Biblical Christians (Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants), on the other hand, of course, completely reject the claims of Mormonism that the Christian Bible and Christian teachings such as the Holy Trinity are false.

Which is correct and which is apostate? It depends which side of the fence you are on. But the two are not compatible.


32 posted on 02/10/2012 12:38:01 PM PST by iowamark (The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves)
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To: OKSooner
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND MORMONISM

QUESTION: Is There More Than One True God?
CHRISTIANITY: NO
MORMONISM: YES

QUESTION: Was God Once a Man Like Us?
CHRISTIANITY: NO
MORMONISM: YES

QUESTION: Are Jesus and Satan Spirit Brothers?
CHRISTIANITY: NO
MORMONISM: YES

QUESTION: Is God a Trinity?
CHRISTIANITY: YES
MORMONISM: NO

QUESTION: Was The Sin Of Adam and Eve a Great Evil Or a Great Blessing?
CHRISTIANITY: GREAT EVIL
MORMONISM: BLESSING

QUESTION: Can We Make Ourselves Worthy Before God?
CHRISTIANITY: NO
MORMONISM: YES

QUESTION: Is Salvation through Christ alone?
CHRISTIANITY: YES
MORMONISM: NO

QUESTION: Does Christ's Atoning Death Benefit Those Who Reject Him?
CHRISTIANITY: NO
MORMONISM: YES

QUESTION: Is The Bible The Unique and Final Word of God?
CHRISTIANITY: YES
MORMONISM: NO

QUESTION: Did The Early Church Fall Into Total Apostasy?
CHRISTIANITY: NO
MORMONISM: YES

There's more, but this should give you something to think about!

33 posted on 02/10/2012 12:39:36 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: OKSooner
Input welcome from all.

If true, then you'll appreciate this atheist noting how much we atheists enjoy these ridiculous, never-ending arguments.
34 posted on 02/10/2012 12:39:48 PM PST by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: HMS Surprise

So if it would eliminate him right before the election, why don’t we do the American people a favor and spread the word now.


35 posted on 02/10/2012 12:41:16 PM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: OKSooner
Do you really think you will get an accurate answer on a forum overrun with Mormon hating moonbats?

Do you really think Christianity is defined by those who can shout and scream the loudest?

Or even majority vote?

Or do you suppose that Jesus Christ will make the final decision?

As for myself, I watch how people act, how they vote and what type of people they turn out. You can also pick up Leo Rosten's classic book Religion in America and judge for yourself. While I realize Mr. Rosten was a Jewish guy, he is also eminently fair in his book.

As a last resort, you might also try one of the websites maintained by the Mormon church such as lds.org or mormon.com (org?).

As weird as it may sound, I find far more factual information on, for instance, the Catholic Church by going to an official Catholic website than I do by venturing into a moonbat website like allpriestsarechildmolestors.com

I suppose the same might be true for the Mormon faith.

36 posted on 02/10/2012 12:41:23 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: topher
All Christian denominations have a Trinitarian form of Baptism.

What do you mean by this?

37 posted on 02/10/2012 12:41:46 PM PST by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL)
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To: HMS Surprise

I would think that most people of good moral character who believe in a respectable religion will stick together. When the administration in power is waging a war on all believers, then it is logical for all believers to coalesce against that administration. Many non-believers will join with them for various reasons.

Later on, when they have won, they may start fighting among themselves.


38 posted on 02/10/2012 12:42:49 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Tennessee Nana
Gee... I was reading all that and thinking I was gonna ax you for citation at the end.

Tu eres bueno, muchas gracias.

39 posted on 02/10/2012 12:43:07 PM PST by OKSooner (Today's new tagline. Tomorrow's new tagline pending.)
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To: OKSooner
Can someone give me a Lutheran Ping?

Why, this topic has nothing to do with Lutherans.

40 posted on 02/10/2012 12:46:01 PM PST by xone
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To: DownInFlames
Furthermore, blacks were not allowed into the church until the 70’s.

Which was impeccable timing, since the New Orleans Jazz would soon move to Utah. I think it would have been very uncomfortable for Karl Malone to have to play home games in Seattle or Portland, while John Stockton and the boys were in Salt Lake City.

41 posted on 02/10/2012 12:46:01 PM PST by The Citizen Soldier (America needs Gingrich in 2012 about as much as England needed Churchill in 1940!)
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To: Owl558

Evangelicals are taught to consider their Jesus superior to all other Jesuses out there
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Thats nowhere in the Bible...

as a Christian I believe that the LORD Jesus Christ is God...

Mormons dont...


42 posted on 02/10/2012 12:46:09 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: OKSooner
Perhaps you should rephrase the question to:

Do Mormons consider any other Christian denominations to be true Christians?

Well, lets let Joseph Smith answer that one:

"18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.

"19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”"

Obviously, according to Joseph Smith, the answer is an emphatic, "No!"

Ergo, Mormonism is not Christianity. So saith Joseph Smith.

Cheers
43 posted on 02/10/2012 12:46:21 PM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama Sucks!!!)
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To: OKSooner

I think it’s Egyptian.


44 posted on 02/10/2012 12:46:36 PM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Too many lawmakers, too many laws, too many lawyers.)
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To: OKSooner

Nope!


45 posted on 02/10/2012 12:50:24 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it....)
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To: laweeks

Since God knew, before He even created them, that these millions of well-meaning, misinformed souls were going to die as Mormons, do you really believe He would send them to hell for that?


46 posted on 02/10/2012 12:52:05 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: OKSooner; DoctorBulldog

P.S. - My wife is an ex-Mormon, so I know of what I speak.

Cheers


47 posted on 02/10/2012 12:52:35 PM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama Sucks!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
That was before Roger Williams ....founder of Rhode Island.

Roger Williams was the founder of the modern American concept of freedom of religion. He was driven out of the Massachusetts Bay Colony by the same Puritan element who later conducted the Salem Witch Trials because they considered Baptists a cult.

That's why genuine Baptists are emphatic in defending the rights of Mormons (or any other group) to worship as they believe. And the phony variety are just as emphatic in condemning them to hell and denouncing them as a cult. (See Leo Rosten's book Religion in America

48 posted on 02/10/2012 12:54:02 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: whattajoke

I’m not an atheist, but they certainly are enjoyable...and never-ending.


49 posted on 02/10/2012 12:55:45 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: OKSooner; lightman; Cletus.D.Yokel; bcsco
No, Mormonism is not Christian. It fails the basic tests of the doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of Christ. If a church cannot confess the three ecumenical creeds--the Apostles' Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed--it is not Christian. Mormonism is a false religion.

I am a confessional Lutheran pastor (LCMS).

50 posted on 02/10/2012 12:58:29 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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