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John Carter; Disney movie

Posted on 03/04/2012 5:16:17 PM PST by rrebo

Just saw a pre-screening of "John Carter", a new Disney movie scheduled to open on March 9. It pretty much followed the Edgar Rice Burroughs Martian books. We saw it in 3D and it was quite good. Action all the way. Pretty sure there will be sequels by the way it ended.


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To: rrebo

Looks like I need to add Edgar Rice Burrough’s books to my reading list. Thanks.


51 posted on 03/04/2012 9:19:29 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: rrebo

I’m gonna hafta see this movie! One of our cats (a rangy red-furred tomcat) is named John Carter, Warlord of Barsoom. (We call him Johnny. Sweetest cat ever, btw.)


52 posted on 03/04/2012 9:47:36 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (If you back Newt . . . then SEND HIM MONEY!! "Be Breitbart, Baby!")
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To: KevinDavis

Disney. Spit!


53 posted on 03/05/2012 12:08:29 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: beebuster2000

I imagine that the more modest costumes are a concession to the comfort of the actress.
54 posted on 03/05/2012 4:57:44 AM PST by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: Pharmboy

Same with Twilight when the kid turns into the wolf. I guess they figure most people will tolerate it and they’re right. Thanks for the feedback Pharmboy.


55 posted on 03/05/2012 5:14:17 AM PST by toddausauras (FUMR x 1,000)
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To: Calvin Locke

I’m listening to the libravox versions.


56 posted on 03/05/2012 5:27:25 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: cripplecreek

Glad I stumbled on this. Saw the trailer for the movie the other day but had no idea who John Cater was. I read Burroughs Moon series and loved them. Then I guess I went off to college and got into some other sci fi and never got back to him.


57 posted on 03/05/2012 10:18:52 AM PST by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: brytlea

Burroughs really brought sci fi to the common man.


58 posted on 03/05/2012 10:23:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Ransomed
I think the (silly) reason there is no “Mars” in the title is that the last 10 movies out of Hollywood with “Mars” in the title sucked and were total box office bombs.

That being said - I think “A Princess of Mars” is a perfectly cromulent title - and they should have stuck with it.

59 posted on 03/05/2012 10:30:51 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: rrebo
Nearly one hundred years ago Edgar Rice Burroughs, the man who would go on to create the much more famous ‘Tarzan of the Apes’ wrote and published his first novel ‘A Princess of Mars’ (Soon to be a Major Motion Picture). My eye was drawn to the amazing cover art of the titular princess.

I learned a lot about how a man should act from those books, but it was only after reading them again later in life that I realized how deftly Edgar Rice Burroughs had woven fundamental truths, social satire and outright prophetic pronouncements into a cliff hanger swashbuckling pulp fiction Sci-Fi story.

Before World War One he foresaw the advent of ‘air power’ in advanced warfare. During World War One he laughed at people who called it ‘The War to End Wars’ through the mouth of a Martian woman. Before the abject failure of Communism during the 20th Century and the Khmer Rouge he portrayed the natural instinct of State Collectives to fight against the family bond and how universal ownership would lead to universal misery. Before the Moon landing he talked about how John Carter, an earthling, would make fantastic leaps under the lower gravity and air pressure of Mars. Before Environmentalism and OPEC he spoke of people fighting for limited resources on a dying planet. Before Martin Luther King gave his speech Burroughs showed that John Carter judged someone by the content of their character not the color of their skin, even if it was green or purple.

Here are 6 lessons with quotes from the book that I learned from reading the Martian stories of Edgar Rice Burroughs...

1) Be kind to animals.

John Carter’s greatest advantage over the Green Martians was that the fearsome Martian hound “Woola” they set to watch over him soon became his devoted pet.

“I had developed considerable affection for Woola and Sola (a green Martian), for the normal earthly man must have some outlet for his natural affections, and so I decided upon an appeal to a like instinct in this great brute, sure that I would not be disappointed.”

Then later he remarked…

“I had at least two friends on Mars; a young woman who watched over me with motherly solicitude, and a dumb brute which, as I later came to know, held in its poor ugly carcass more love, more loyalty, more gratitude than could have been found in the entire five million green Martians who roved the deserted cities and dead sea bottoms of Mars.”

He got the fierce war mounts of the Tharks to follow him like puppies, and the Tharks, although they thought gentleness a weakness, were so impressed that they adopted his methods of training much to their benefit, and John Carter was rewarded with a leg band from the Thark chieftain’s own leg because of the military advantage the Tharks saw in having loyal and responsive mounts.

2) What is inside is important, what is outside isn’t.

“This much, Tars Tarkas, you may do for me in return for the friendship that, I must confess, I feel for you.” *John Carter

“Friendship? There is no such thing, John Carter.” *Tars Tarkus

“I would scarcely recognize you, John Carter, but there is no other mortal upon Barsoom (Mars) who would have done what you have for me. I think I have learned that there is such a thing as friendship, my friend.” *Tars Tarkus

“Twenty-two years before I had been cast, naked and a stranger, into this strange and savage world. The hand of every race and nation was raised in continual strife and warring against the men of every other land and color. Today, by the might of my sword and the loyalty of the friends my sword had made for me, black man and white, red man and green rubbed shoulders in peace and good-fellowship. All the nations of Barsoom were not yet as one, but a great stride forward toward that goal had been taken, and now if I could but cement the fierce yellow race into this solidarity of nations I should feel that I had rounded out a great lifework, and repaid to Mars at least a portion of the immense debt of gratitude I owed her for having given me my Dejah Thoris.” *John Carter

3) Communism sucks.

The Tharks owned property communally and were raised communally. Raising your own child or mating for love was punishable by death.

“Why, oh why will you not learn to live in amity with your fellows, must you ever go on down the ages to your final extinction but little above the plane of the dumb brutes that serve you! A people without written language, without art, without homes, without love; the victim of eons of the horrible community idea. Owning everything in common, even to your women and children, has resulted in your owning nothing in common. You hate each other as you hate all else except yourselves. Come back to the ways of our common ancestors, come back to the light of kindliness and fellowship. The way is open to you, you will find the hands of the red men stretched out to aid you. Together we may do still more to regenerate our dying planet.” *Dejah Thoris

4) Take care of the planet.

Mars was an ancient and dying planet. Life existed only because the red Martians built atmosphere plants and great worldwide canals from water pumped from the southern ice cap to irrigate the planet.

5) Women are awesome.

“They make the powder, the cartridges, the firearms; in fact everything of value is produced by the females. In time of actual warfare they form a part of the reserves, and when the necessity arises fight with even greater intelligence and ferocity than the men.” *John Carter

“Tell me of your mother,” I said. “Tell me all you can of the years that I have been robbed by a relentless fate of her dear companionship.”

“Your stature, your manner, the terrible ferocity of your swordsmanship,” said the boy, “are as my mother has described them to me a thousand times—but even with such evidence I could scarce credit the truth of what seemed so improbable to me, however much I desired it to be true. Do you know what thing it was that convinced me more than all the others?”

“What, my boy?” I asked.

“Your first words to me—they were of my mother. None else but the man who loved her as she has told me my father did would have thought first of her.”

“For long years, my son, I can scarce recall a moment that the radiant vision of your mother's face has not been ever before me. Tell me of her.”

6) Never give up hope.

“I still live.” John Carter

“I am afraid that it is hopeless”

“I may answer that in the famous words of John Carter: ‘I still live!’”

“The blind philosophy of absolute courage, but yet futile”

“It served him well many a time, for it gave him the will to attempt the impossible and to succeed. We still live, Nur An; do not forget that- we still live.” *Hadron of Hastur

“Give a Thark his head and one hand, and he may yet prevail.” *TarsTarkus

60 posted on 03/05/2012 10:35:26 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, I still remember how exciting the stories were. Who cared if they were plausible, the stories were hard to put down.


61 posted on 03/05/2012 10:35:57 AM PST by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: tbw2
Ten books in the Barsoom series.

The first three are the absolute best.

A Princess of Mars.
The Gods of Mars.
Warlord of Mars.

After that the stories leave John Carter behind (he is the hero perfected) in order to tell more classic stories of the heroic ideal being achieved by lesser characters - first his son “Carthoris” romancing the titular princess in the 4th book....

Thuvia Maid of Mars.

Chessmen of Mars (about the romance of John Carter's daughter Tara of Helium by a new hero, Gahan of Gathol).

The Mastermind of Mars (new hero from Earth, Ulysses Paxton)

A Fighting Man of Mars (new hero Hadron of Hastur, relative of the husband of Tara of Helium).

Swords of Mars (back to John Carter, fighting a league of assassins!!!)

Synthetic Men of Mars (new hero Vor Daj)

Llana of Gathol (about John Carter's granddaughter)

John Carter of Mars (back to John Carter again).

62 posted on 03/05/2012 10:49:52 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

I got curious and looked it up last night as to why they changed the title. I actually found that they changed it twice! The director has stated that he thought no boys would go and see a movie with ‘Princess’ in the title. I reckon that the term has become a tad more frilly and pink laced since the days of ERB, but come on. So then it was going to be ‘John Carter of Mars’ but then the director thought no girls would go and see it, since girls hate planets and scifi or something. So now it is simply John Carter.

Freegards, cleaned limbed fighting man #456t out


63 posted on 03/05/2012 11:38:42 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed
Yes, because as a whole, men avoided seeing “A Princess Bride” that had BOTH “Princess” AND “Bride” in the title!

No way that men watched it and saw a great movie and made its more hilarious points of duologue known by those who haven't even seen the movie....

“My name is Inigo Montoya....”

“Have fun storming the castle!”

“You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.”

Etc, etc, etc.

64 posted on 03/05/2012 11:51:00 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: rrebo

Just started reading the series, liking it alot so far.
Years ago I read quitre a few of the Tarzan ones


65 posted on 03/05/2012 5:37:07 PM PST by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: rrebo

I am all for putting John Carter on the big screen, finally. One of the best series from the Golden Age of Science Fiction.

I had some disparaging remarks about seeing how Disney works in some political correctness, but I’ll leave it at that.


66 posted on 03/05/2012 6:20:11 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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To: cripplecreek
"That was my main concern. Burroughs was in a whole new class. Nobody else could take a civil war vet, drop him on mars and have him openly declare 'I'm the baddest SOB on this planet and all your women want me.'"

And a Southerner, to boot. Damned fine books!

67 posted on 03/05/2012 6:22:23 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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To: ronnyquest

Written by a Chicago native no less.


68 posted on 03/05/2012 6:24:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Ransomed
"Another thing is these books had some of the best imagery ever, and Frazetta and Mike Whelan captured that in the art they did for the various paperback editions."

Frazetta, rest his soul, was a master. He captured the essence of a great many exceptional works of American fiction.

69 posted on 03/05/2012 6:32:08 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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To: allmendream

I read my first ERB books in the mid 1960’s, read them all.

BTW most of these ERB John Carter books are free for the Kindle from Amazon, my 18 year old son devours them, they have all the classic values missing from todays society.


70 posted on 03/05/2012 6:49:02 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: ronnyquest

Yeah. It’s amazing that he went on to paint great stuff with his off-hand after the stroke. He was quite a character. That documentary ‘painting with fire’ is really neat—”I threw a ball over my school!” He actually was scouted for the Dodgers if I recall.

Freegards


71 posted on 03/05/2012 8:35:17 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: allmendream

Well done Sir. Great post, and most excellent quotes.


72 posted on 03/06/2012 8:42:42 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Eye of Unk
BTW most of these ERB John Carter books are free for the Kindle from Amazon, my 18 year old son devours them, they have all the classic values missing from todays society.

See my previous posts. The books still falling under copyright in the U.S. due to our insane copyright laws are available from PG Austrailia. I've downloaded all the books at PG-AU, and am in the process of converting them to epub from the raw text available there. I've done 3 so far, and will be sending the finished copies to PG-AU to see if they'll post them as epubs. If you'd like another format, contact me and I'll create them as well. I think I can convert to just about any current ebook format.

73 posted on 03/06/2012 8:50:57 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: rrebo

I still have my uncle’s original hardbacks from the ‘40s of most of those Tarzan / Martian / Venus books.
Most of them still have the jackets intact, too.


74 posted on 03/06/2012 8:54:16 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: zeugma

Thanks! This is the line I most wanted to see Dejah Thoris deliver, but somehow I think the anti-communist message was left behind....

“Why, oh why will you not learn to live in amity with your fellows, must you ever go on down the ages to your final extinction but little above the plane of the dumb brutes that serve you! A people without written language, without art, without homes, without love; the victim of eons of the horrible community idea. Owning everything in common, even to your women and children, has resulted in your owning nothing in common. You hate each other as you hate all else except yourselves. Come back to the ways of our common ancestors, come back to the light of kindliness and fellowship. The way is open to you, you will find the hands of the red men stretched out to aid you. Together we may do still more to regenerate our dying planet.” *Dejah Thoris


75 posted on 03/06/2012 8:56:50 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

Yup. That’s a great quote, and a true sentiment. I love Burrough’s writing style. I like reading older books because they don’t talk down to the reader. Writers who consider their readers more literate than a ten year old appeal to me.


76 posted on 03/06/2012 11:01:39 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: rrebo

So Tim Riggins grew up to be a superhero? Cool!


77 posted on 03/06/2012 11:12:40 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: zeugma
It is an amazing phenomenon, one I have observed frequently. Authors of not so very long ago assumed their readers were intelligent people who were very well educated.

I remember in “Uncle Tom's Cabin” a particularly striking looking slave from Africa was named “Scipio” and it was said as a joke that the reader should be aware of and laugh at - but to be “in” on the joke you had to know that Publius Scipio was the Roman General who defeated Hannibal and was given the title “Africanus”.

She just assumed the reader would know this!!! She was obviously writing for an audience with an education level far in excess of what is generally attained in this benighted age.

78 posted on 03/06/2012 11:21:41 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: rrebo

I thought the movie was a little slow and needed something. It seemed a little flat. Action wasn’t that much. I did enjoy it, however.

As far as the box office, I think it will bomb. Most will find it boring and not enough action. The long runtime will limit showings.

The Lorax was great.


79 posted on 03/06/2012 11:56:17 PM PST by moviefan8
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To: BenLurkin

Just came back from the movie. I admit she looks kinda plain in the paparazzi shots I’ve seen. But in the movie, she’s mighty fine.


80 posted on 03/10/2012 9:25:11 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: moviefan8

I dunno. I left with a feeling similar to the one I had after watching the remake of The Mummy.

Overall, it felt a little tame but still a lot of fun. I’m glad they made it and hope they do a followup.


81 posted on 03/10/2012 9:47:48 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: zeugma

The people who own the right probably don’t agree that we have “ insane copyright laws “


82 posted on 03/11/2012 8:42:15 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BradyLS

I plan on seeing it today myself, probably the 3D version.

Whats funny is the liberal rag reviewers are bombing on this movie but you go to Fandango and such and its getting rave reviews.

Being an ardent fan of ERB and having all of the Barsoom books just to name some I know that this character, the individuality, the fighting for justice and fighting against evil obviously bodes for bad propaganda for the controllers of Socialist America.
If we had more movies like this it might give the people bad ideas, like having some cojones to fight.

Almost any sci-fi adventure can trace its origins to novels from ERB, many people don’t realize the history of when these were written.


83 posted on 03/11/2012 8:53:41 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Trailers indicate that Disney has botched both the imagery and the story. Hope not the case.


84 posted on 03/11/2012 9:10:19 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Disney for some odd reason totally messed up with “Mars needs Moms” That was the absolute worst Disney film I ever saw, thankfully I saw it for free, they lost over $100 million on that turkey.

From some reviewers John carter is just old fashion action like Indiana Jones, no lightsabers, no Death Stars, no jar jar Binks or Wookies. And its supposedly a high morals story, but most of all is the feeling that its makes liberals uncomfortable as if they suddenly realized that they just mistakenly ate a case of prunes and they know what will happen next.


85 posted on 03/11/2012 9:16:04 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: BenLurkin
The people who own the right probably don’t agree that we have “ insane copyright laws “

Probably, although since most people "protected" by copyright at the present time are already dead, one could make the opposite argument. Companies like Disney buy enough congresscritters to make sure that copyright never expires on their works, but then, when they want to make money, where do they look? Disney has a long history of appropriating stories and characters from the public domain for their own purposes. Their latest flick, "John Carter", was originally a story by Edgar Rice Burroughs called "A Princess of Mars" and was published in 1917. If the copyright that exists today had existed in 1917, they wouldn't be able to make this movie without paying his heirs until 2020. (Life of the author plus 70 years)

Yes, the modern American copyright is insane.

I'd have some respect for copyright if we'd stuck with the idea of "limited times" as specified in the Constitution. Two 14-year terms is plenty long for a work to be under copyright. The vast majority of works produced in the 20th century are still under copyright, even though they are out of print, and have been so for decades. Society gains nothing from this arrangement. The natural state of literary works is in the public domain. Copyright is an artificial mechanism put in place to encourage the production of works in the arts and sciences. The fact that someone's great-great-great-great grandchild is receiving benefits from copyright encourages nothing bot sloth.

86 posted on 03/11/2012 10:42:09 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: BenLurkin

I just saw the 3D version a while ago, I liked it, I can see liberals hating it, I saw where Disney adlibbed some parts for continuation and it worked because the first three books had a very very slow beginning and yes the movie had a slow start.

The green martians were very well done, the character that stole the show was the 400mph Barsoom “dog” Woola.

Deja Thoris fit the role perfectly and John carter well, he was John carter a very human person.

Comparing such other movies such as Star Wars a New Hope and the first Indiana Jones as benchmarks of a 10 I would give this film an 8.9 and if Disney doesn’t make a sequel I’m forever avoiding their theme parks for life.

This is a film and story that screams for no less than a trilogy. Some people will claim some scenes were stolen from a certain Star Wars film but I disagree, this story was written decades before and they stole the ideas, its a very original film, the costumes, the tattoos, the weaponry is totally original, very well done I must say Disney, I hope it makes good money, last I saw it has earned only #0 million, much below the expectations.

And a fraction of the tree hugging Dr. Seuss film The Lorax.

Go see John Carter?

You betcha.


87 posted on 03/11/2012 6:25:27 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk; BradyLS; allmendream; ronnyquest; verga; Ransomed; brytlea; Altariel; rrebo; ...

Saw it today. It lived up (or down) to my low expectations.

Not to say it isn’t a good popcorn movie; it is and people should see it if that’s what they are looking for.

Sadly I re-read five of the books recently, so ERB’s descriptions of places, characters and events from the books have been refreshed. These were NOT echoed in the film. Also, unfortunately, I was put off by the overt departures from the source material in terms of plots, descriptions and actions. The plot is partly new and partly an unrecognizable mashup from several different of ERB’s Mars books.

The terrain is all wrong. Barsoom, while arid did indeed have ochre moss in great quantities, and scarlet swards of Martian lawn grass. Productive farms lined the great canals. Saw no one of that. The cities in the movie bear no resemblance to how they are described in the books.

Woola was a good characterization in the movie. Disney captured indeed the faithfullness of Carter’s beloved Calot. But though fast in the books, his ten legs (not six) did not make him leave a trail of dust like the road runner. The Therns were men (and women) of Barsoom who infiltrated the Red Martian cities by wearing makeup and wigs. They were not gimmicky shape shifting super beings. The White Apes, while large and dangerous were not the size of King Kong or even Mighty Joe Young. Etc etc etc. etc etc etc .

Perhaps most disappointing were the fliers. The fliers in the movie were clever and entertaining in their own right: but they were not the magnificent floating patrol boats, cruisers, and dreadnoughts of Edgar Rice Boroughs’ imagination. He saw them as ships of the type that were in battle at the time of the Spanish American War. That’s how they should be portrayed on screen as they sortie and battle in the thnning air of Barsoom.

Disney is in the business of making money, I understand, but ERB had an exciting vision of Barsoom which only modern CGI could render with fidelity. Disney chose not to and instead went for what I suspect is a pretense of an amusement park attraction, toys, etc.

And a word about the warriors of fair Helium….they were men. That’s right: a nation where the men were men, and the women were voluptuous. And nobody wore much in the way clothing (let alone armor – something entirely foreign to ERB’s vision). Female warriors of Helium? Must be the work of “that guy from accounting”.

And finally, what of the “incomparable Dejah Thoris” , “the most beautiful woman on two worlds?”

Woof.

Do the folks at Disney have no concept of beauty, or what kind of young woman would have the blue-blooded bearing of a Princess? Apparently not, for Disney’s idea of Dejah Thoris is nothing more than a tattooed skank.

If there is to be a sequel, please, Disney….. Recast that role!


88 posted on 03/12/2012 6:18:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Yeah, I remember that yellow moss ‘stretching for miles in all directions’ I think. By the trailers it doesn’t look alien enough.

When I first heard they were doing this I was thinking Pixar doing the first full on American digital animation action/adventure block buster with a heaping helping of violence. I was thinking Frazetta coming to life, and the imagery of barsoom captured with fidelity, because they could actually pull it off with that studio.

Here’s what conservative sci-fi writer John C. Wright has to say about it—he gets into a lot of the character stuff he says they got wrong:

http://www.scifiwright.com/2012/03/a-reluctant-hero-of-mars/#more-5064

Freegards


89 posted on 03/12/2012 6:34:27 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

Great link!

Thanks!


90 posted on 03/12/2012 7:17:33 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin
To quote the wisdom of Liv Tyler “they didn't need to put a sword in her hand to make her strong.”.

They put a sword in Dejah’s hand - and made her weaker.

I thought she was hot, and if delivering ANY of the actual Dejah dialog - she would have sounded MUCH more noble.

*************** from “A Princess of Mars”***********

I was more concerned by the immediate problem of their treatment of her. That they were keeping her away from me was not a matter for surprise, but that they should subject her to dangerous and arduous labor filled me with rage.

“Have they ever subjected you to cruelty and ignominy, Dejah Thoris?” I asked,feeling the hot blood of my fighting ancestors leap in my veins as I awaited her reply.

“Only in little ways, John Carter,” she answered. “Nothing that can harm me outside my pride. They know that I am the daughter of ten thousand jeddaks, that I trace my ancestry straight back without a break to the builder of the first great waterway, and they,who do not even know their own mothers, are jealous of me. At heart they hate their horrid fates, and so wreak their poor spite on me who stand for everything they have not,and for all they most crave and never can attain. Let us pity them, my chieftain, for even though we die at their hands we can afford them pity, since we are greater than they and they know it.”

91 posted on 03/13/2012 7:24:23 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: rrebo

saw it, would recomend it highly.

the CGI did nail the four armed martians well.
(compared to the silly scifi channel, oops syfy [pronounced sea-fee] low budget silliness)

They obviously covered up the princess a bit more than the book. They did put in some minor pc twists in it but the story was good.

footnote the “maid marian without robin hood” movie looks to be an upcomming lame movie.

Disney better hire some executives who are fathers with sons in order to stop being the princess and poofy entertainer.

All in all it was a fun movie.

of course now I have to find a six legged toy plush dog thingy.


92 posted on 03/13/2012 7:51:04 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: napscoordinator

Lorax is too enviro wacko propaganda to get my money.


93 posted on 03/13/2012 8:34:41 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: BenLurkin

Thank you for the review. Now...I’m not so excited to see it.


94 posted on 03/13/2012 8:50:11 AM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: Ransomed

Disney has an acknowledge “princess problem”

They have be redoing fantasyland at WDW and when their new VP was put in charge of the project (i believe he has two sons) he quickly tweaked the project to add some boy friendly stuff.

Unfortunatly the homosexual they put in charge of DisneyXD channel a few years back still has not gotten the memo.

The look and feel of this future from the past works with the current steam punk twist of tommorrow land.

Disney has to do something because Harry Potter is sucking all the “non frilly” attendance.


95 posted on 03/13/2012 10:26:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: brytlea

I would disagree with the review.

I have read all the books and but for a few tweaks it is faithful to the spirit and major plots.

It rare I spend any money for the theater experience but this was worth the money.

The one scene where John Carter sends the princess away to escape while he holds off an attacking hoard is a perferction.

I do hope they go into the other books.

(does anyone know where to buy a stuffed woola toy?)


96 posted on 03/13/2012 10:34:37 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
Interesting to me that you thought the best scene in the movie was one of the few scenes faithfully translated from the book. I too immensely enjoyed that scene.
97 posted on 03/13/2012 10:39:31 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

That is very cool.

I don’t remember the two rings in the book but I thought that was a good element.

Well DisneyLAND is more about books,
and Disney World is more about movies.

in a footnote Tron 3 is slated for 2013.


98 posted on 03/13/2012 10:55:17 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
You mean John Carter's two wedding rings? In the books he was never previously married.

Did you mean the transport devices? The Barsoomian “Ruby Red Slippers” that would have sent him home?

99 posted on 03/13/2012 11:38:32 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

you mean a device vs a cave with mystic gas? (I found the device more plausable)

I know it is not constent with the books but it did work with the desire not to “go to war” again. It does track the fight for the people vs some cause.


100 posted on 03/13/2012 11:43:21 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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