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To: AnonymousConservative
Very nice answers as always. Thank you

just throwing out a possibility here:

It could be a green-beard gene or it could be simple adaptation of the species.

Such as Grizzly bears changing their color to white at the beginning of the Quaternary Ice age that we are in which we call polar bears. Or even simpler then that and much more likely in my opinion is how pack hunting animals such as wolves doesn't show the classic pack leadership when there is a prevalence of food such as when there are a number of trash cans in the area. Or it is at least not as prevalent or noticeable.

If it is similar to the full belly wolf example those wolves that are well fed would resent having to go back too the hard difficult work of hunting. At the same time the pack leaders wouldn't mind it much at all. Obviously I am talking about humans here the full bellied humans would fight to keep the Status quo and resent the pack leaders and everything related to them.

71 posted on 03/10/2012 4:17:35 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

>It could be a green-beard gene or it could be simple adaptation of the species

Could be both. As a species, we have gone through the r and K periods again and again. Probably the biggest was when we first spread out from Africa. (and indeed, a gene which correlates with Liberalism is also highly present in migratory populations.) So as we reached the carrying capacity of the African environment, K-selection began. All of a sudden r-types were being culled in large numbers. A few had an additional urge to migrate outward, into environments with no humans. They found abundant food which they did not need to compete for. They survived, and the r-type psychology adopted that psychological predisposition. As they reached the carrying capacity of that new environment, many r-types already had an urge to migrate outward, and that trait became more prominent in them as that cycle repeated. Now today, we see that migratory populations tend to have the dopamine receptor allele associated with Liberalism, and Liberals tend to score high on novelty seeking, such as exploratory urges, in personality tests. Gradually, these traits add on, and then hang around in at least a few individuals, until they are needed in the next stage of the cycle which favors them.

As time went on, we likely both adapted traits to help us ride the waves of varying resource availability. r-types evolved strategies to persist during K-selection (probably by currying favoritism with threats, groveling before strength, and seeking to reapportion resources from successful competitors to unsuccessful r-types), as well as drives to eliminate K-types when they gained relative power during times of plenty. Meanwhile K-types evolved an innate antipathy towards r-types to try and keep their numbers limited, and punish them with expulsion from groups during group competitive environments.

>how pack hunting animals such as wolves doesn’t show the classic pack
>leadership when there is a prevalence of food such as when there are a
>number of trash cans in the area. Or it is at least not as prevalent or noticeable.

Very interesting, I did not know that. Liberals show less respect for authority and leadership on personality tests, such as done by John Jost. Of course studies on charitable giving show they give less, and are thus less altruistic, which would correlate with Jost’s work showing they have less loyalty to in-group as well, which is also less altruistic in nature. In the end, you are either a K-type group Competitor working for the group’s success (and the K-trait’s success), or you are out for yourself, hoping you are the one to perpetuate the r-trait.

Once those trashcans are gone, and K-selection returns, those wolves who maintained a drive to organize into a functional pack will see their groups rapidly out-compete those who are programmed to follow a more selfish, individualistic path. I would bet the wolves who go their own way exhibit other indices of r-selected behavior, and probably have slightly different dopamine receptor alleles from the pack wolves.

>If it is similar to the full belly wolf example those wolves that are well fed
>would resent having to go back too the hard difficult work of hunting. At
>the same time the pack leaders wouldn’t mind it much at all. Obviously I am
>talking about humans here the full bellied humans would fight to keep the
>Status quo and resent the pack leaders and everything related to them.

It’s coming. In the Roman Empire, r-selection was maintained through an influx of free foreign resources seized from conquered lands. The booty was just like the trash cans to the wolves. And as it fed the empire, it produced the growth of r-types, who then increased taxes, enlarged government, began to shirk from military service, and began trusting foreign Barbarians to run their Empire. Eventually, they ran out of foreign lands to conquer, the resource influx stopped, and K-selection returned. The r-type, resource redistributing Empire collapsed, and everyone had to survive by demonstrating ability, effort, and determination, in free competition with others. You can bet the r-types were desperate at the end.

We’ve had our own free resource influx, to support r-selection - the conjured money we just keep creating out of thin air and borrowing from everyone else. At some point, something will happen, that money will stop, and we will even have to pay it back, further exacerbating the K-selective effects on a population rife with r-types.

Those of us who self organize into rule governed groups with well established hierarchies of authority will continue to produce items and services of value, and survive handily. Those Democrat voting welfarites in urban areas will probably have it a a lot tougher, as will the average Lib, who will not function so well in such a pack type hierarchy. I would expect a goblin filled, target-rich environment will spontaneously become normal, at least for some while.

What is that old curse – May you live in interesting times?

Interesting times are coming, and it will be much better to have a K-type group Competitor psychology than an r-type Liberal psychology. On the bright side, I would expect to see a more Conservative country emerge from it, freed from the dead weight of Liberalism and it’s leaches, and wildly successful.


72 posted on 03/11/2012 12:42:30 PM PDT by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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