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To: AnonymousConservative
maybe even a broader question.
Can the Yin and yang live together?
74 posted on 03/11/2012 2:28:01 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

>For decades up until about 50 years ago the wealthy in this country has
>been mostly conservative or K-types until they realized they can vote
>themselves money and power.

I think what you see here is the effect of an increasingly r-type population. The r-type population will exist on a spectrum of ability. Most will exhibit diminished intelligence, diminished ability, diminished adaptation. But, given the numbers which they exist in, some will also exhibit high ability, high intelligence, high functionality. That is for every few hundred thousand welfarites, there will be a Warren Buffet. When you get the r-type lack of rule adherence, lack of morality, lack of honor, and add to it high intelligence, and ability, you will see that individual soar in the hierarchy.
In a strongly K-selected society, the three R’s will kick in, and his reputation will get him little reciprocity, and some retribution. This will keep him lower in the hierarchy, and his type will be rarer at the top. However as the society becomes more r-type, that psychology will be more tolerated, and will enjoy greater favor. That is what I think we see here.
It’s not that the rich figured out that they could vote themselves more money, but rather that leftists are enjoying the ability to attain higher status as they no longer need to be afraid of the three R’s. It’s a more r-type of rich today, which is less moral, less prone to rule adherence, and less loyal to fellow citizens. Fifty years ago we’d have labeled them all Communists, and blacklisted them into oblivion. Today they support economic redistribution openly, and experience no detriment. The three R’s have temporarily been suspended due to us being in an r-type phase of the cycle, and the ability of r-types to thrive is evidence of this..

>As an example both parties were made up of mostly conservatives. Today
>we are barley part of one party.

I think this may have begun with the Hippies growing out of WWII. Our high productivity was always going to produce the free resource availability of the r-type environment, but pulling *all* of our K-types out of the breeding pool for half a decade in WWII gave the r-types a boost which it might have taken them fifty or a hundred years to get otherwise.

>Today big business goes hand in hand with government which is a
>socialistic system at it’s finest were the government taxes the middle
>class and gives it to the rich too redistribute as they both see fit.

Again, we are a more r-type society today, so the r-types are tolerated much more than they would be were the society to be overwhelmingly K-type. As K-selection returns, this too will gradually be rectified.

>Question:
>When the money runs out and the K-type are back in power how in
>your opinion can we keep from allowing us to revert back into idiocy
>of r-type logic? In other words how can we avoid government taxing
>the middle class for big business to redistribute?

>Propaganda or money always seems to win in a Republican system of
>government which means it fails the K-type environment. Even more so
>today with the type of media we have where money helps distribute ideas.

>I honestly do not have an answer or something close to an answer. I have
>been brought up to believe a Republican system is the best of the worst if
>you know what I mean.

>maybe even a broader question.
>Can the Yin and yang live together?

That is the million dollar question, and like you, I don’t have an answer, and say so in the book.

I have a section in the book where I attempt to show how populations cycle between K-type, free societies, and r-type oppressed societies. Basically, a society undergoes a period of K-selection. It becomes composed of predominately K-type individuals. K-type individuals are, according to the research cited, competitive, conscientious, optimistic, and prone to loyally ally with peers in structured groups with strict hierarchies that are well designed to accomplish objectives. As a result, a K-selected society is highly productive.

Unfortunately, this high productivity makes resources freely available within their population, and creates conditions of r-selection within their population. This effect is small at first. K-type societies will give r-types just enough to allay the worst suffering. However, once r-types do not experience mortality (as will occur under conditions of high productivity due to simple morality), they will multiply faster than K-types, while exhibiting less conscientiousness, less optimism, less loyalty to in-group, and less incentive salience (desire for goal attainment – likely diminished due to diminished competitiveness). Think of the unemployed welfarite, who thinks everyone owes him a free cellphone, free healthcare, free food, free housing, and a weekly stipend to boot.
As this less productive, more reproductive cohort grows relative to the K-types, the society will gradually become more r-type. As the population becomes more r-type, r-types will find themselves provided with ever more resources by an ever more r-type government which experiences ever more r-type influence from an ever more r-type population. This then gradually, inexorably, takes the government towards the Roman example. Once there are enough r-types, their consumption and diminished productivity will exceed the productive output of the K-types, and the system will collapse, forcing K-selection upon the populace, at which point the cycle will repeat.
I put a representation of Yin and Yang on the cover of my book for that reason. If you see the actual symbol, there is a small black dot within the white Yang, and a small white dot within the black Yin. They represent “Yin within Yang” and “Yang within Yin.” Basically Yin and Yang exist in an eternal cycle, vacillating between Yin and Yang. The dots represent that Yin always contains within it the seed of Yang, and Yang always contains within it the seed of Yin. When Yin reaches it’s apex, the seed of Yang emerges and takes over, and the cycle then turns Yang, courtesy of Yin and it’s power. And Vice Versa.

It really is the same as what I see here, where the productivity which arises out of the K-type environment contains the seed of the r-type environment, and begins the next phase of the cycle, namely the r-type environment. Likewise, the r-type environment grows strong, until it eventually brings about such chaos that it contains within it the very seed of the K-selection it abhors. As r-selection reaches it’s apex, it brings about the utter collapse of the system, and a return to a type of K-selection which is it’s polar opposite. Thus r-selection has within it the seed of K-selection.

I don’t see anyway around it. Eugenics doesn’t work, because who decides who is the most capable? The only way would be to demand each man either produce for himself or die. Sort of the Thunderdome model of government. But clearly, nobody is going to enjoy the immense productivity of a K-type environment, head out for a lavish vacation in Kona, see a child on the side of the road starving because his parents are failures, and just leave him to starve. I think we are just condemned by our morality to ride the r/K roller-coaster forever. Like Sisyphus, we’ll build greatness in our society, and then Liberals will gradually tear it down by supporting failure and punishing success, until they destroy it completely, and we will begin all over again.

Yin and Yang. It can’t be stopped.


75 posted on 03/12/2012 7:52:34 AM PDT by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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