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Vanity: State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman: Affidavit of probable cause
http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactive/2012/04/12/state-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-affidavit-probable-cause/ ^

Posted on 04/12/2012 6:26:26 PM PDT by dewawi

Oh my God, no wonder Allen Dershowitz is calling it a disgrace. This looks like something a 3rd grader would put together. It even makes a mistake as to what the Dispatcher told Zimmerman when he said he was following him. Remember: the Dispatcher said "You don't have to do that". Well in this affidavit, the State claims the Dispatcher said something else DESPITE IT BEING ON TAPE!

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KEYWORDS: affidavit; angelacorey; coreyfong; probablecause; sourcetitlenoturl; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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This is just political. The Prosecutor is going to ruin Zimmermans life for political gain. Wonder what Eric Holder promised her.
1 posted on 04/12/2012 6:26:31 PM PDT by dewawi
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To: dewawi

Wonder what eric holder threatened her.


2 posted on 04/12/2012 6:31:56 PM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: dewawi
I heard Alan Dershowitz on Jay Severin say any decent defense attorney should make short work of the charge of 2nd degree murder.
3 posted on 04/12/2012 6:31:56 PM PDT by AU72
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To: dewawi

can someone please verify where this 7-11 is? One poster said it was 2-3 miles away.


4 posted on 04/12/2012 6:33:59 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: dewawi

The special Prosecutor is a Republican, apparently given the job by a Republican governor. I’m sure they were worried about what would happen if they didn’t give in to the race baiters. But, still, this is just crazy.


5 posted on 04/12/2012 6:35:04 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: dewawi

I think it was written on the 3rd grade level in hopes that the New Black Pampers would read it and maybe lighten up a little.


6 posted on 04/12/2012 6:36:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare is like a stool sample. You have to pass it to find out what's in it.)
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To: AU72

Mark Levin said it is very weak according to what he has seen. I heard Pam Bondi on Fox today with Megyn Kelly. Megyn asked her about the bounty the Black Panthers put out on Zimmerman and what will be done. She said “I cannot talk about that right now but anyone putting out a threat on his life needs to stop now.”


7 posted on 04/12/2012 6:37:33 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather ("We Need To Teach The Establishment a Lesson" - Newt Gingrich)
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To: dewawi
You're correct. The dispatcher did not tell him 'not to do that.' The dispatcher said "Okay, we don't need you to do that.” That's an exact quote. And this is a sworn affidavit charging a guy with murder, and the affiants falsely swore.
8 posted on 04/12/2012 6:39:58 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: dewawi

I imagine it doesn’t matter, but there are several false statements in the affidavit.

For example, it says Zimmerman was talking about Martin when he said “these *ssholes, they always get away”. Clearly he was talking about the others — Martin was one person, not multiple people. He also supposedly used the plural “punks”, again indicating he wasn’t specifically talking about Martin.

A better example, it says “he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime” — but the investigator has no way of knowing whether Trayvon was going to commit a crime or not, nor did anything Zimmerman say indicate he assumed a crime was going to be committed. Further, given that Trayvon beat Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had not shot Trayvon and the police had arrived, it is likely Trayvon would have been arrested and charged with a crime, so maybe it wasn’t false at all.

They also mischaracterized what the dispatcher told Zimmerman. Further, according to other sources, after the dispatcher told him not to follow Martin, he didn’t, and instead walked to the street to wait for the police, before walking back toward his truck (I guess that’s one of those things that we’ll have to see what the sworn testimony says).

Later, it says “Martin attempted to run home but was followed by zimmerman”. That almost certainly is false — Zimmerman was not in very good shape, and Trayvon was. Trayvon was only 100 yards from where he was living — that’s 20 seconds max of running. And the shooting was minutes after the dispatcher started, so if Trayvon ran home, he’d make it in plenty of time.

It is more likely that Trayvon turned around and went back to confront Zimmerman. It’s the only rational way Zimmerman would have caught up to Trayvon.

And since they know Zimmernan received treatment, they know the two had an altercation.

It is also annoying but not I guess “false” to give the 3rd-hand statement that trayvon’s mother “says” it sounds like him, and ignore that an eyewitness claims he saw Zimmerman on the ground and screaming. I would guess though that the burden is very low for this type of proceeding.


9 posted on 04/12/2012 6:40:13 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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Based on the affidavit, the state’s case rests entirely on:

1. the girlfriend on the cellphone and

2. the mother claiming it was Trayvon’s voice crying for help.

They have no evidence that Martin initiated the physical contact. If they did, they would have stated that in the affidavit.

I will be shocked if Angela Corey personally prosecutes this case. She will conveniently find some other pressing engagement and leave a junior lawyer holding the bag to prosecute the case so as to avoid further damage to her career.

If this were not a political prosecution, it would be thrown out for lack of probable cause.


10 posted on 04/12/2012 6:43:05 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: dewawi

I thought the dispatcher said, “we don’t need you to do that,” which does carry an implication that he shouldn’t “do that”, even though it is not an instruction per se. Also, some are saying that Zimmerman did stop following him, and that he was then jumped from behind as he was going back to his car. It will be interesting to see how the defense presents its case.


11 posted on 04/12/2012 6:45:43 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dewawi
This looks like something a 3rd grader

Your Honor, I object.

A third grader wouldn't have the life experience to couple this much stupidity with PC BULLSHIT.

Oh wait... did I JUST REPEAT MYSELF????

12 posted on 04/12/2012 6:47:10 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Pay back's a BITCH)
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To: dewawi

Crime is self defense while being white.


13 posted on 04/12/2012 6:48:41 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: biggredd1
The 7-11 is 0.8 mile away, per The American Thinker. I posted an excerpt from an article about that earlier tonight, with a link. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2871406/posts?page=8#8
14 posted on 04/12/2012 6:49:08 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
For example, it says Zimmerman was talking about Martin when he said “these *ssholes, they always get away”. Clearly he was talking about the others — Martin was one person, not multiple people. He also supposedly used the plural “punks”, again indicating he wasn’t specifically talking about Martin.

A better example, it says “he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime” — but the investigator has no way of knowing whether Trayvon was going to commit a crime or not, nor did anything Zimmerman say indicate he assumed a crime was going to be committed. Further, given that Trayvon beat Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had not shot Trayvon and the police had arrived, it is likely Trayvon would have been arrested and charged with a crime, so maybe it wasn’t false at all.

They had to allege something like this to support the depraved mind element of second degree murder.

I am sure that the Justice Department is trying to concoct some cockamanie theory of Zimmerman as a deputized state actor due to his past course of dealings with the police as neighborhood watch captain in order to bring a federal civil rights case against him and the city of Sanford.

The far left would love to make it a federal thought-crime to "profile" by thinking suspicious thoughts of a black person. There is nothing one should put past these tyrants.

15 posted on 04/12/2012 6:50:14 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: dewawi

Looks like they copied a transcript from an NBC news program to put this affidavit together.


16 posted on 04/12/2012 6:50:46 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Scoutmaster

Shine on. Shine down.


17 posted on 04/12/2012 6:51:18 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Pay back's a BITCH)
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To: dewawi
I heard Levin read the affidavit today. I can't believe that the prosecutor said that Zimmerman said "They always get away" as evidence of his state of mind. The recording clearly shows that Zimmerman said "They always get away... [breath... breath]… from the back gate."

An honest listen will show that he wasn't lamenting that they get away, he was telling the police where to look for the suspect.

This is a dishonest affidavit. It's becoming clear that Zimmerman is being nifonged.

-PJ

18 posted on 04/12/2012 6:57:32 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Even if GZ initiated the confrontation, then

Since its passage in 2005, the “stand your ground’’ law has protected people who have pursued another, initiated a confrontation and then used deadly force to defend themselves. Citing the law, judges have granted immunity to killers who put themselves in danger, so long as their pursuit was not criminal, so long as the person using force had a right to be there, and so long as he could convince the judge he was in fear of great danger or death.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/article1222930.ece


19 posted on 04/12/2012 7:03:28 PM PDT by ironman
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To: Meet the New Boss
Do we know how long between the killing and when the girlfriend was asked about the conversation? How much of what the girlfriend claimed has been made public?

The girlfriend could have made up details to make Zimmerman appear to be pursuing Martin (or misconstrued what Martin's remarks meant) and the prosecutor may have gone on the assumption that whatever the girlfriend said was true and anything Zimmerman said was false.

20 posted on 04/12/2012 7:03:37 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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