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Marco Polo was not a swindler -- he really did go to China
AlphaGalileo ^ | Monday, April 16, 2012 | Universitaet Tübingen

Posted on 04/17/2012 6:38:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

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21 posted on 04/21/2012 2:14:51 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: SatinDoll
You missed out on a lot of history.

To straighten up your timeline ~ the Silk Road opened up sometime BC, but by Classical Times it became a major luxury trade route between East and West.

By the EARLY 6th century ~ before AD 535 ~ both the Arabs and the Greeks(Byzantines) found the secret of silk and were raising their own silk worms and producing their own silk.

In 535 a climate anomaly occurred that resulted in the destruction of civilization in much of Western and all of Northern Europe. Serious intellectual activity in Southern and Eastern Europe disappeared as well. China itself effectively shut down for 300 years.

Venice, as of AD 535 was still a collection of muddy islands in the Adriatic. With the destruction of Rome (in the West) and the severe weaking of Rome (in the East) Venice had time to develop. LATER ~ many centuries later ~ Venice became a major power in the Mediterranean and could even dictate terms of trade to the various authorities that ran the Turkish empire during their period of ascendancy.

In the 7th century the Arabs in Mecca actually became a serious military power in the Eastern Mediterranean ~ and they took over much of Eastern Byzantium, all of North Africa, Spain, islands in the Mediterranean, and so forth. Within a couple of centuries they'd seized Persia and it's tributaries and had begun advancing on India itself.

At some point they ran up against the budding Mongol Empire and their advance into Central Asia was brought to a huge grinding halt.

Europe took quite some time to recover and it wasn't until the 11th century that they were able to form and dispatch serious military missions to non-European lands. Such ventures were an outgrowth of some serious technological advances that'd been made in the Dark Ages (which were not totally dark, but certainly not like living in Rome). By 1492 Europeans could project presence if not power all the way to America, and by the late 1500s, they could literally carve up global trade and dominate all the sea routes that'd begun supplanting the Silk Road.

By 1775 Europeans were founding new nations in America and elsewhere, and at the end of 1945 the United States, one of those nations, stood astride the globe as not just the dominant power, but the source of 50% of the world's wealth!

Back to the Silk Road, the United States is currently occupying the key locations through the Hindu Kush ~

22 posted on 04/21/2012 2:32:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SatinDoll
Just roll out the dough, then roll it up like a 'fruit roll" and start slicing at one end. You'll end up with noodles.

This is a good way to make EGG NOODLES. Toss 'em in the chicken broth. Sometimes you cut crosswise and make spaetzle ~ which can be thought of as little noodles, miniature dumplings, or whatever you want depending on the thickness of the sauce, and whether or not you take the boiled noodle/dumpling and fry it up!

One popular way of making noodles is to EXTRUDE THEM through a die. I have an enormous set of dies and two different machines to mix the dough.

The key element in extruding food and food byproducts is the die. The grinder or mixer will almost invariably use a variation of the Archimedes screw ~ which is credited to Archimedes the Greek inventor ~ in the third century BC.

That idea spread far and wide quite rapidly as a way of lifting water, and other applications probably popped up almost immediately. Pushing soft dough through a hole is an OBVIOUS application.

23 posted on 04/21/2012 2:55:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Note: this topic is from 4/17/2012. Just an updated ping message.

24 posted on 09/18/2018 11:04:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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btw, I think this thread is what got muawiyah snuffed:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3031176/posts?page=68#68

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:muawiyah/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change


25 posted on 09/23/2018 11:45:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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I watched a documentary called "The Secret File of Marco Polo" on Amazon Prime early this morning, and Ulrich (mentioned in the lead post of this thread) appears in it. Other than the sound mix being substandard during translation voiceovers, it was excellent. Besides the minute details of the salt trade which Marco Polo clearly describes, his account of how he left China and returned to Italy includes three names, and those three names were found in the exactly contemporary Chinese court records, there's no way he'd have known those without his story being true. No great wall? There are literally no descriptions of the great wall in any medieval travel accounts, as the wall dwindled away to a pile of debris centuries eariler -- the Great Wall we see today was rebuilt in its current form in the 17th century. The alleged scholar who scrawled "Did Marco Polo Go To China?" shows how thorough her "expertise" is by not knowing that.

26 posted on 09/23/2018 11:52:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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Just an update.

27 posted on 01/08/2024 10:47:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Politics do not make strange bedfellows, and the enemy of your enemy may still be your enemy.)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

Rubio!


28 posted on 01/08/2024 10:57:11 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (“History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes” - Possibly Mark Twain.)
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