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Police arrive at wrong house, shoot dog (Video)
CNN ^ | April 17, 2012 | CNN

Posted on 04/18/2012 7:34:52 AM PDT by beaversmom

Police arrive at wrong house, shoot dog

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1 posted on 04/18/2012 7:34:59 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

Police protection is an oxymoron.


2 posted on 04/18/2012 7:43:52 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: beaversmom

This story is all over Facebook this morning :(


3 posted on 04/18/2012 7:44:30 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: Gennie

That’s where I saw it.

Speaking of which, here’s the Facebook Link:

Justice for Cisco
https://www.facebook.com/#!/JusticeForCisco


4 posted on 04/18/2012 7:47:11 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

Sad!


5 posted on 04/18/2012 7:48:40 AM PDT by Spunky
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To: Gennie

This story is all over Facebook this morning :(


“Justice for Cisco”


6 posted on 04/18/2012 7:48:40 AM PDT by deport (.............God Bless Texas............)
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To: beaversmom

The cop should be fired.
He is totally unfit for duty. I don’t know what to say about the moron who gave the wrong address.

I can only imagine what would have happened if the skin colors of the dog’s owner and the trigger happy cop had been reversed.

Threats of violence and riots from mobs wearing “I am Sisko” and “Justice for Sisko” dog collars would sweep across the nation.

Even if Sisko was about to attack FraidyCop (and I doubt he was), the dog (and owner) were clearly unarmed, just like Trayvon.

Also, why did FraidyCop see the dog owner as a threat and pull his gun on him? Did he see a woman running from him, as reported in the 911 call? Did he just PROFILE the first man he saw?


7 posted on 04/18/2012 7:49:44 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: deport

If this cop is not removed from duty, or at least put behind a desk, there is about a 99.9999% chance he will one day shoot an innocent, civilian, human to death.


8 posted on 04/18/2012 7:51:15 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: beaversmom

I’d say the best way to attack this problem, while not emotionally satisfying, is through a lawsuit.

Care of a dog runs $20/day at most kennels. So, take the dog 3 yrs x 365days/yr x $20= $21,900

Treble damages, emotional distress, wanton distruction of personal property and I can see where this could easily cost the city $500,000 per incident.

Morons do not learn from moral or ethical lessons, they are incapable of understanding the damage they willfully do. However, getting hit with $500,000 and either being PERSONALLY liable, or having the department get hit with these bills should eventually get the message across.

Personally, I’d like to force the cop to witness something he holds precious and dear executed in front of him.


9 posted on 04/18/2012 7:56:37 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: beaversmom

What was said on the video is that they have permission to fire their weapon if they feel their life is in danger. I don’t understand how...even if the 40 lb dog WAS attempting to bite...is such an imminent danger that he thinks his life would CEASE if it happened?


10 posted on 04/18/2012 7:59:02 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: beaversmom

The dog was doing its job, the police were not.


11 posted on 04/18/2012 8:02:51 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: beaversmom

I don’t believe that there is enough in “reparations” the PD can or will pay to overcome the traumatic loss of the dog. A dog isn’t a “pet”, a dog is family and this family should sue until the city has been bled of every dollar they can get.

We have 7 dogs and consider all them to be our “children”. Were this to happen at MY house, I would end up dead because there would be dead cops and gunshots all over the place after I grabbed MY gun and started shooting back.

Just because a dog is big, DOESN’T make it vicious. Too many of these incidents are occurring where cops enter a house (the RIGHT one OR the WRONG one!) and shoot the dog right off the bat. There is no reason or justification for this and the practice needs to stop, NOW!!!

I, generally, try to side with cops. They have a tough job (sometimes) and they are constantly exposed to unexpected or dangerous situations, but that doesn’t give them the right to shoot an animal. Would they shoot a 16 year-old who happened to play fullback or halfback on the HS football team just because he was big?

This is an issue of training, communication and discipline. All 3 are missing from too many police departments across the country!!


12 posted on 04/18/2012 8:06:00 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Does anyone know what the laws are regarding police officers or other people coming onto your property? It sounds like whether or not he will be reprimanded, there isn’t a legal issue as to this man coming onto the property to begin with, even though it was the wrong location. So all that it takes is someone to report your house, or in the unlikely event that it’s the wrongly identified house, to have something like this happen?


13 posted on 04/18/2012 8:10:37 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: beaversmom

I can’t understand why cops instinctively just shoot the dogs.
Twenty-five years ago, I was attached by a large doberman pinscher, the dog had me on the ground and was attempting to kill me. Two deputy sherrifs witnessed the attack and rather than shoot the dog, one opened the trunk of their patrol car and took out a shovel. They then beat the dog with the back of the shovel until it ran away.
The dog survived and so did I. The owner got cited for not having the dog on a lease.


14 posted on 04/18/2012 8:10:42 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: BuffaloJack

not lease. it should be leash.


15 posted on 04/18/2012 8:11:24 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: beaversmom

When did police shooting dogs become such a problem? I don’t remember hearing about this 20 years ago.


16 posted on 04/18/2012 8:12:56 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Gennie

Good point. FraidyCop’s LIFE was not in the least bit of danger. It is possible he could have suffered a dog bite, which is no fun, but if the dog had bitten him, he could have shot and killed it then.


17 posted on 04/18/2012 8:13:38 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: beaversmom

Bookmark


18 posted on 04/18/2012 8:16:25 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Seems there are more and more people on power trips...this worries me because I have VERY LARGE but gentle German Shepherds and it seems like even if they came onto the property uninvited and unannounced, they would be able to do shoot them.


19 posted on 04/18/2012 8:16:30 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: Above My Pay Grade
EXACTLY! Now, if the dog ALSO had a gun, well then it'd be something different...but as it stands, it was not a life-threatening situation. Why not pull out the baton and crack the dog? Trigger happy.
20 posted on 04/18/2012 8:18:20 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: Gennie

Oh, and I mean hitting the dog if he kept advancing and tried lunging...not just hit the dog cause he’s merely barking at a distance.


21 posted on 04/18/2012 8:19:29 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: Gennie

Yes, and it happens. Sometimes even one government agency will will forward unfounded criminal complaints to other agencies to get things like this to happen in order to harass someone who’s been giving them trouble


22 posted on 04/18/2012 8:19:59 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: beaversmom
As always it is the dog's and owner's fault at least according to the police. It is a shame these dogs keep making these officers shoot them. (sarc)
23 posted on 04/18/2012 8:21:59 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: beaversmom

Long past time to move out of ‘rat infested cities.


24 posted on 04/18/2012 8:23:48 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Gennie
"Why not pull out the baton and crack the dog? Trigger happy. "

Why not pull out your Nerf gun and shoot them with some Milk Bones or bacon treats?

25 posted on 04/18/2012 8:26:40 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DustyMoment
I agree with you on your main points. I have four dogs and they are family. I was also a LEO with the state police. I watched the tape and heard the video. I think the officer was too hasty to pull the trigger. But let's look at what he thought he was walking into. MAN WITH GUN. You have a split second to react or you may be dead. I have seen other cases where it was much more clear cut as to the officer being a total moron.
The officer IMO fired too soon. He did not give the man any time to react to stop the dog. Also if you have ever been in a life or death situation your adrenaline is flowing at the max. I never had to kill anyone but I was about a half second from blowing a hole in a guy (warrants out on him) who didn't like me for some reason. Luckily for him he saw reason and I didn't fire. But I would have and would not have lost any sleep over it.
This one was a tough call but if I am going into a situation where the only info. I have is man with gun I am going to be prepared. I agree training is not what it used to be. I guess the only thing I can say is I am not sure if I would have shot or not but I would like to think I would not simply because I have been around dogs all my life.
I think it is a valid point to determine if an officer has an unreasonable fear of animals. That needs to be addressed. But the case here is one of those where I can see both sides but tend to come down on the side of the owner of the dog.
26 posted on 04/18/2012 8:28:56 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: Paladin2

LOL! While I wouldn’t expect that, that reminds me of how when UPS arrives sometimes they bring doggie treats, I guess they must be more prepared than the police for meeting dogs on properties.


27 posted on 04/18/2012 8:32:04 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: beaversmom
Why didn't he spray the dog? Or is that not done anymore? Why did he pull his gun the second he saw movement? Who was threatening him? Seems that among a lot of cops it has now been decided that if a dog barks and charges at them (challenges them for being a stranger on their turf as pretty much any dog will do) then that is a dead dog. That's the impression I get. "Man, a dog comes at me, I'm shootin' that m***f***." And why not? There will be no penalty of any kind. The Dept. will have their back.
28 posted on 04/18/2012 8:34:09 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: prof.h.mandingo
I agree with you on your main points. I have four dogs and they are family. I was also a LEO with the state police. I watched the tape and heard the video. I think the officer was too hasty to pull the trigger. But let's look at what he thought he was walking into. MAN WITH GUN. You have a split second to react or you may be dead. I have seen other cases where it was much more clear cut as to the officer being a total moron.
Can you tell me why he would think he was walking into a situation with a man holding a gun? According to the 911 call, it sounded like the woman reported a drunk man and a woman running away?
29 posted on 04/18/2012 8:35:20 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: beaversmom

Maybe this police “Officer” was just trying out for a postition on the federal BATFE! They have standing raid orders to kill all pets FIRST.


30 posted on 04/18/2012 8:39:38 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: DustyMoment

I fully agree. Eye for an eye. I’d shoot the cop that shot my dog without a thought Wouldn’t bother me in the least to remove a dumb son of a bitch cop from the planet.


31 posted on 04/18/2012 8:45:04 AM PDT by jrg
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To: Gennie

It’s all part of the third worlding of America!


32 posted on 04/18/2012 8:46:45 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
It's better to assume the dog has already had his one bite.

First of all a dog is property. Secondly if your dog bites anybody, and that includes a copy\, a letter carrier, a meter reader, a young child, or somebody ~ anybody, the lawsuit against you will be ruinous.

The cop, if wrong, is still saving you from a serious lawsuit.

33 posted on 04/18/2012 8:57:11 AM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: beaversmom

Dinner for the President?


34 posted on 04/18/2012 8:57:33 AM PDT by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: DustyMoment
This is an issue of training, communication and discipline. All 3 are missing from too many police departments across the country!!

Actually, it is not the police training that is at fault, it is the determinate negligence of dog owners to train, discipline, and instill automatic obedience to voice/hand commands to their "pet." Neither will they commit to be accountable for the pet's unacceptable behavior. Instead, they typically shift the blame, then publicize the event to a touchy-feely pet-lover community whose compassion is often misplaced.

On the other hand, the police professionals understand exactly how to achieve immediate, unquestioning obedience in their K9 dogs. Why should not the dog owner commit to the same level of accountability?

Lack of owner responsibility for control of the dog may well be the underlying reason why so many incidents are increasing. A plethora of untrained pit bulls, Rottweilers, and Dobermans not temperamentally suited for urban families may also multiply these tensions.

35 posted on 04/18/2012 8:57:46 AM PDT by imardmd1 (The Boy Scouts' Motto -- "Be Prepared")
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Then there are the brain damaged Chihuahuas so beloved of the blue hairs.

We helped the mother in law by sausage training hers until he could hardly stand up to say nothing of running straight at you with mouth open, yapping, and snapping.

Then some do-gooder put him on a diet. Just darn!

36 posted on 04/18/2012 9:02:10 AM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Thirty years ago I had to break loose of a Norfolk cop’s hold and knock down/throw my body across my dog to stop another cop from killing him.

This happened in an apartment where Navy MPs, Norfolk PD, VA PD and some kind of “SWAT” team had arrived to collect my UA husband, even though he was going to the base the next day, voluntarily.

[the dog was in adjoining room behind French doors and no threat to anyone at *all*]

When I was 20, I had a lot more to live for than I do now but the ‘choice’ wasn’t even conscious.

I just jumped.

I’d do it again.

It’s nothing “new”; they’re just more liberal and brazen about it, now.


38 posted on 04/18/2012 9:17:11 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: prof.h.mandingo
This one was a tough call but if I am going into a situation where the only info. I have is man with gun I am going to be prepared.

Thanks so much for the reasoned professional viewpoint.

There's a lot of irrational instability and passion from pet-lovers vs policing procedures. It will help me keep in mind the importance of not inviting such confrontations.

39 posted on 04/18/2012 9:21:01 AM PDT by imardmd1 (The Boy Scouts' Motto -- "Be Prepared")
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To: Gennie

You are correct. I misheard the 911 call. Hearing is going out I’m afraid. NO REPORT OF MAN WITH GUN. I WAS TOTALLY WRONG. SORRY. Given the new information the officer was totally out of line. There is no way I would have reacted that way. Sorry again. The only thing I can say is most calls especially now can make you tense but he was unjustified to do what he did.


40 posted on 04/18/2012 9:24:42 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: imardmd1

I may not be your friend after my last comment. I guess I can only tell you that I was on the force many years ago and I never heard of anyone shooting a dog. I worked with metro police and never heard of that either. Times were different but guys still got killed. Another commenter said it was a black power trip. In my experience black cops were good with whites. They “hated” lazy welfare drug addicted blacks. They are the ones who caught hell. The attitude was I got out of the ghetto why can’t you? Good attitude in my opinion.


41 posted on 04/18/2012 9:29:56 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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It’s okay, I wasn’t sure if you had read something different in another news article, since like I said it has been making the rounds on Facebook. It looks like there are quite a few stories popping up about it.


42 posted on 04/18/2012 9:32:18 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: beaversmom

Cops shoot dogs because of police trainers who tell them to always shoot the dog

One day, the national discussion will focus on how disturbing police training has become and what kind of really creepy people are getting paid lots of taxpayer money doing this police training. Remember I mentioned this when it finally gets to that point.


43 posted on 04/18/2012 9:34:19 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: BuffaloJack

As an artist, I was given permission by a landowner to paint on his property. While there, I was attacked by the owner’s Great Dane. I fended him off with my camp chair while the owner watched. Finally he called him off. (the owner didn’t recognize me) It would never have occurred to me to shoot the dog even if I had been carrying.

It seems like the philosophy for policemen is: If a dog barks and/or moves toward me, I shoot it. What if meter readers shared this philosophy?


44 posted on 04/18/2012 9:38:27 AM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: beaversmom
Police arrive at wrong house, shoot dog

What? Obama was hungry!

45 posted on 04/18/2012 9:41:51 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: prof.h.mandingo

The time between ‘get your dog’ and the shot was less than a second. And he said that after demanding to see the owners hands.

Dogs don’t recognize uniforms. The dog sensed that his owner was in danger. Officers have to realize this when dealing with dogs.

I have never had to shoot a dog. For the most part I talk to them and they usually calm down.

I cannot support the officer in this case unless there is more evidence outside of the audio/video.


46 posted on 04/18/2012 9:45:35 AM PDT by midcop402
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To: prof.h.mandingo

The time between ‘get your dog’ and the shot was less than a second. And he said that after demanding to see the owners hands.

Dogs don’t recognize uniforms. The dog sensed that his owner was in danger. Officers have to realize this when dealing with dogs.

I have never had to shoot a dog. For the most part I talk to them and they usually calm down.

I cannot support the officer in this case unless there is more evidence outside of the audio/video.


47 posted on 04/18/2012 9:46:13 AM PDT by midcop402
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To: midcop402

Check out my later posts. I thought the call was man with gun. Don’t know how you handle it but it got the hair up on the back of my neck. One of ours cut in half with a sawed off shotgun. You are right. He mishandled the call.


48 posted on 04/18/2012 9:52:53 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: midcop402
Are they shipping the Dog carcass to the White House?

It will go nicely with thw Wagu Beef they serve at the Wednesday Night Party.

49 posted on 04/18/2012 9:55:11 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: beaversmom

Non-story... if they arrive at the right address and don’t shoot the dog, now that is something!


50 posted on 04/18/2012 9:55:52 AM PDT by LambSlave
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