Posted on 05/16/2012 5:08:14 PM PDT by DarthFuzball
Hope I got it right.
Oracle is the greatest nest of swindlers in all of computerdom. And their corruption is everywhere.
whoa! a judge that actually has a clue about development and doesn’t think it pfm
there could be a small chance for a sane ruling
I’m stunned
And he's right. I don't know how many rangecheck() functions that I've cobbled together quickly to stop a program from doing stupid stuff with garbage data.
/johnny
/johnny
private int rangeCheck(int x, int y)
{
return (x-y);
}
This simplistic example just tweaks data, something most programmers can do in their sleep. To suggest that a bounds check algorithm takes six months is laughable. That said, why would Google need to rip a limiter from oracle anyway? I have found that plugging in someone else's code can sometimes make a project take longer than if you just hack it together yourself anyway.
David Boies - the same attorney who fought so hard for Al Gore and Michael Moore is now in bed with Oracle. I hold for the Defendant
A competent judge is a rare and much appreciated part of this litigation
“To suggest that a bounds check algorithm takes six months is laughable.”
Well, now, if you put a million monkeys in a room full of PCs for six months you still wouldn’t likely have a viable rangeCheck algorithm. I believe, however, that those monkeys do constitute Oracle’s programming staff.
This is a positive development. The idiot judge during the Microsoft Anti-Trust case (Bill Clinton’s most successful wag the dog maneuver) thought that deleting the internet explorer icon from the desktop was the same as removing it from the windows installation.
Its all BS. The judge is full of it.
Using this judge’s logic, a person should be able to go to college and download all their papers, project assignments, and homework submissions from a copyrighted source, turn them in and get full credit for them.
When the student gets found out for cheating and for copyright infringement, this judge thinks they can justifiably claim “it was only an accident.” They should be given the benefit of the doubt, and get chance to recreate their submissions on their own.
Someone at Google made a decision to do what was done. They planned to copy Intellectual Property from Oracle, and they carried out their plan.
I hope Larry Ellison extracts $Billions out of Google!
Since when can you copyright an API? That was hashed out in Atari vs Accolade about 30 years ago. Copyright covers the expression of an algorithm (the code that implements the interface), not the interface itself.
Otherwise Linus Torvalds could have never published Linux, which was based on published AT&T System V and BSD APIs for Unix.
No the judge is right and there is good case law to back him up.
You said Using this judge’s logic, a person should be able to go to college and download all their papers, project assignments, and homework submissions from a copyrighted source, turn them in and get full credit for them.
To make your example actually work according to the scale used here, we would have to make some changes to your parameters.
If you have 2 students who sit at opposite ends of the class room each writing a 2 page essay as part of an exam and each used an exact copy of the same sentence at some point in the essay.
Then the instructor decided that it was "similar but reasonable", and passed both students.
That's a comparison using students/papers/cheating in a scale that matches the case here.
I hope Larry Ellison extracts $Billions out of Google!
Really???!!! Someone inadvertently or on accidently on purpose produced 9 lines of code to implement brain dead pseudo-code like "if ((x < 1) OR (x > 10)) then throw an exception" when they literally (as the judge says) could have written this in their sleep, or in little more than a minute, and suddenly its a "plan" to steal IP from Oracle? Really???!!! As a long time hardware/software/systems engineer & more recently DRE software architect, this is laughable beyond comprehension.
Look, I understand the sentiment to hate the libs at Google and want to see them taken to the cleaners & punished financially - for whatever reason. But this nonsense isn't it. Despite all recent evidence to the contrary, I really want to believe that the rule of law and common sense still count for something in this Godforsaken socialist run country. But this is like charging someone a billion dollars for looking at you the wrong way.
Morever, I might add that in the pantheon of despicable high tech software companies - including Google, Oracle, IBM, Apple & Microsoft, I'd unfortunately put those greedy, open source killing/looting b@astards at Oracle at the top of the list - although the others are close behind.
Very well said.
This is starting to remind me of the old SCO v Linux flamewars.
I missed those. They were so entertaining.
Sane ruling?
Both companies are as shifty and crooked as can be; they should both be shut down on general principles.
Me too. I haven't been following this case close enough to tell who the good guys and bad guys are, but I'm really glad that the judge, for once, actually understands what he is being asked to rule on.
From the article, it sounds like Oracle is pinning a lot to this 'rangeCheck' function (though I wouldn't be surprised if the reporter got that wrong). If so, the judge rightly shut them down. Hell I can set up a function to validate input in a line or two of shell code in bash, and I'm not even a programmer.
Disclosure: Over the past few years, I've really come to hate Oracle with a passion, so I'm tempted to root for them to lose regardless of the facts.
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