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A penny will get you a dollar that they come on now...or soon...and somehow lessen or justify what went on in Missouri and Illinoise when the LDS were driven out of those states by religious bigots of that day, and raped, and murdered, and all of their belongings taken. Let’s watch and see if they flock in here and tell you and me how terrible we are, how the LDS that were killed were somehow justified in being killed, or had it coming, or that their deaths really didn’t even happen at those places.

Jeff, thanks for the best example of poisoning the well that I have seen in years. Philosophers classify this as a type of ad hominem argument because it preemptively attacks any PERSON who raises an objection without considering the ARGUMENT.

Let me ask you this question: Why did the Amish, the Shakers, the Mennonites, the Hutterites, and other non-conventional religion groups have no such difficulties in the same areas?

Review the underlined portion of your quote. Isn't that exactly what you did when you brought up the LDS Missouri situation to "explain" the context of the Mountain Meadows Massacre (despite your self-serving claims in the earlier post of not trying to justify the MMM).

Actually, several of those sects you mentined did have problems in numerous places.

But...hmmm...it seems like you are somehow doing exactly what I talked about.

"Let me ask you this question: Why did the Amish, the Shakers, the Mennonites, the Hutterites, and other non-conventional religion groups have no such difficulties in the same areas? "

Are you implying that because they didn't have as great a problem that somehow that justified what happened to the LDS? Because it sure sounds like you're leaning that way, otherwise why frame the question as you did? I mean, if they had such problems when others didn't, then they must have brought it on themselves, right? Those little kids, those women, etc.? That somehow they did something to deserve such treatment?

The deaths, murder, rape, and then driving the rest out in the dead of winter with nothing but the clothes on their backs by the thousands? Sorry none of it was right. And if you are going there with your loaded question...that dog don't hunt.

Apparently you are pretty much proving the very point I made that you described as so poisonous.

Well, I also meant what I said at the start of and the end of the comment namely:

Their deaths do not justify what happened at Mountain Meadows in 1857, but it does provide the background and context.

Fact is, all of it was wrong and bad...killing innocents in such a manner, out of spite, bigotry or revenge is never justified.

NONE OF IT, neither the MMM was in any way justified or made right, or the killings of the LDS by the mobs in Missouri and Illinois. They were all abohrant.

That clear enough for you?

You have a great evening.